原帖由 凤求凰 于 2009-4-17 19:48 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
我靠……
看了一下细则。。。这家伙节目后半段的332的第一跳再次被降组……
然后最后一个居然跳的是3A!然后华丽丽的摔+降组……
……给他洗脑吧洗脑吧洗脑吧！！！
Lz这种跳，不是很容易被降组的那种吧……
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原帖由 朔望 于 2009-4-17 19:48 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
小雷依旧神勇，小哭包依旧幽怨
用不用这么精辟啊……
LP不是很幽怨的那种啊…难道这回LP滑完了他也幽怨了？？
原帖由 最初的梦想DF 于 2009-4-17 19:46 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
WJL其实还不错了，TES基础分都快70了，要不是自己的强项3Lz摔了，这次TES说不定真给他上73+了
你就好好把跳跃给练过关吧，PCS不指望了
PS：要练4Lz这种火星动作可不能3Lz都摔哦
不过有一种说法是练过四周的人在跳三周时会不自觉的用上跳四的力道,
SO……
原帖由 Jeremazing 于 2009-4-17 19:52 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif……给他洗脑吧洗脑吧洗脑吧！！！Lz这种跳，不是很容易被降组的那种吧……
还是状态问题，短节目的时候就有点危险，比较低了都。。。到了节目后半段，体力就更加跟不上了……
这次4T倒是还有加分……
转GOLDEN SKATE的技术讨论帖，从门索夫大叔开始：
Menshov
Quad Toe - Triple Toe
Quad Toe
Double Lutz
Triple Axel - fall out
Triple Salchow
Circular steps
3-2-2 (Flip?)
Triple Rittberger - fall out
Sitspin - not bad
Triple Toe - Double Toe - fall out
Combination spin - good
I missed one spin. He rotates extremely fast, I sometimes don't know if there are 2, 3 or 4 rotations. Plus, too many Toeloops! I think he showed us once again why he never went to Worlds or Euros - 25 years old, great Quads - but not much else.
110 points
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Chao Yang
Triple Lutz - Triple Toe - beautiful technique
Triple Flip - smooth
Double Axel - intended, beautiful
Combination spin - good centre, decent positions
Circular steps - good fluent movements, nice twizzles
2A-2T-2R - very nice, good height
Triple Flip - Double Toe - very nice, amazing out of steps
Triple Salchow - solid
Straightline Steps - good, nice with the music
Double Axel - nice
Sitspin - good
Triple Lutz - right before the end, great
Flying Sitspin - solid
Clothed in brownish stuff, very thin young man. Music was Otonal. Great basic skating, flawless performance. His to do list: get some confidence, a 3A and powerful music.
Score: 122.21 points
看来杨超小朋友的认同度相当高。下赛季把音乐换换，再好好编编曲，PCS的提升空间是大大的！
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Taka-chan
Double Axel - great
Triple Axel - fall out, tacked on a double
Triple Flip - solid
Flying Sitspin - nice deep positions, good centre
Straightline Steps - great edging, a bit lackluster
Combination Spin - good
Triple Salchow - Double Toe - Double - out of spread eagle, beautiful
Circular Steps - okay
Triple Lutz - Double Toe - ice on the landing of Lutz
Triple Rittberger - out of spread eagle, double-footed?
Single Axel
Triple Lutz - good
Spin with Scratchspin at the end - good
Oh Taka. When he gets nervous, his jumps get crashy. I remember that from another favourite of mine (Johnny...). One of his worst performances this season in my opinion.
Score: 125.68
原来KOZU也出现A跳恐惧症了
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Superchan
Wouldn't that be a great moment to try a Quad?
Double Axel - opened up, but not too obvious
lost feed for some seconds; slow mo shows solid Triple Flip - Triple Toe
Triple Lutz - good
Sitspin - good
Circular Steps - he is still alive, even after doing mistakes, admirable
Showing off his fantastic eding while resting
Triple Axel - fall, underrotated?
Triple Salchow - great height, do I smell Quad?
Combination spin - lovely
Triple Rittberger - buttery
Triple Lutz - Double Toe - threeturn, fights for landing after Lutz
Double Axel - solid
Steps - great, nice to the music
Flying sitspin - good speed
The Triple Axel only exists for him during the most important competitions, 4CC, Worlds... I guess he can live with that. He really keeps it going, even after making mistakes. That's important.
Score: 151.95 that's too high
围裙貌似表现一般，两个3A都没跳好，还除了点别的问题。
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Wu
Triple Lutz - Triple Toe - he nearly jumped over the boards, what height!
Triple Axel - Double Toe - high, higher - Wu!
Triple Salchow - he has not much speed out of the jumps
Sitspin - ugh
Triple Rittberger - spread eagle into it, great speed out of the jumps this time
Triple Axel - high, did I mention high?
Double Axel - double Toe - double Toe - solid
Triple Flip - good
Circular Steps - okay
Flying Sitspin - okay
Straightline Steps - slow (someone get this guy a choreographer, he could be great)
Triple Lutz - fall, oh no!
Combination spin - okay
I am a sucker for a good old jumping clinic. High, breathtaking jumps. Love that. He has that. Now get a choreographer. And a costume designer. And real music. Could be great. Shame about that fall at the end. But both Chinese men brought their A-game tonight.
Score: 116.96
看得出慢速吴的开场还是很HIGH的，但是很明显HIGH完那几秒就彻底DOWN了……看来老外不知道慢速吴的编舞是谁，估计他知道了会哭的||||
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Amodio
Triple Rittberger - solid
Quad Salchow - fall, underrotated?
Triple Lutz - smooth
Combination spin - slow, good centre though
Triple Axel - fall out, but rotated
Circular steps - nice
Triple Salchow - Triple Toe - perfect
Triple Flip - great
Triple Lutz - fall
Double Axel - okay
Flying sitspin - slow
Steps - Amodio steps
Sitspin - solid
Ah well. Two falls, but not a complete meltdown. Gutsy going for the Quad. And good for coming back after the mistakes. One thing that really botheres me is that most of his spins slow down a lot during the second half of the spin, it's a bit painful to watch. It's actually his first international Senior competition. Ok, the French are drunk.
Score: 112.47
一句话：法国人喝多了
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Mr. Manly, I mean Vaughn of course
Triple Axel - high! And clean!
Triple Lutz - Triple Toeloop - higher!
Triple Flip - he lets his back drop on the landings, just like Yagudin - clean though
Sitspin - solid
Triple Axel - double Toeloop - great
Single Rittberger - nope! I wanted him to beat Chan.
Circular Steps - a bit bleh, but hey, he can jump
Double Axel - what a waste, so much height and just two rotations
Single Salchow
Triple Lutz - Double Toe - combination spin, nice
Straightline Steps - with fistpumping à la Joubert, slowing down a little
Flying sitspin - solid
Jeez, what's with the hidden Canadian towards the end? Doubling / Singling jumps towards the end of your performance is a Czech speciality! I just love to see him jump. And that's a zero-prerotation Axel. If they put this device on him, it would probably say 3.6 rotations in the air.
Score: 127.86
评价不错，潜力无限？
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Pigs can fly!
Oh no. Don't look scared like that. You can do this! Beat the Superchan!
Quad Toe - YES!!!
Triple Flip - Yipieeh!
Don't overcook it on the movements darling! Looked close the falling again on simple moves.
Great Sitspin
Single Axel - it's either Axel or Quad with him, how strange
Triple Salchow - great
Spin - good
Single Axel - Single Toeloop - way to hand this to the Superchan! Booh!
Circular steps - love it, so soft and musical
Triple Lutz - Triple Toe - Double Toe - YES!
Triple Rittberger - perfect as always, difficult steps before it
Straightline Steps - me is loving this
Double Axel - fall. Jeez, what's up with that jump?
Combination Spin - great, best spinner among the current crop
Don't be sad, honey! It was not a total disaster. You landed the Quad. And even French emperors fall on the Double Axel right before the end.
Score: 131.78
这个之前帖过了，A跳恐惧症的飞猪
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Voronov
Quad Toeloop - Double Toeloop - great stuff
But posture, darling!
Triple Axel - Double Toe - so much height, slightly scratchy but landed
Triple Flip - I hope, or double?
Triple Axel - hand-down
Combination spin - yeah well, he can jump - he doesn't need to be able to spin
Circular Steps - he gives it his best shot, but this is not his music
Double Rittberger - fall. That was freaky!
Flying Sitspin - hmm
Triple Toeloop - solid
Triple Salchow - solid
Triple Toeloop - Double Toe - Double Toe - slight 2-foot?
Straightline Steps - alright
Spin - hmm
Serjoscha, can you please get a new program next season? Pretty please? You didn't need a new haircut, new programs you needed! It was one of the best Quads he has ever done, really great technique.
Score: 125.28
音乐没选好，3A手扶冰，3T2T2T双足，Double Rittberger摔倒（这是啥？）
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Nobu-san
Can someone please do something against the 3A-less Canadian at the Top of the standings?
Quad Toeloop - fall, underrotated?
Triple Axel - Double Toe - solid
Triple Salchow - easy
Circular Steps - good
Spin - bad
Triple Axel - very very good
Triple Rittberger - superb height
Triple Flip - Double Toe - Double Toe - fantastic
Triple Lutz - he is flying now, beautiful
Double Axel - so smooth
Flying Sitspin - okay
Straightline Steps - good energy
Combination spin - good
Great performance. Shame about the fall on the Quad, it looked so easy at Worlds. But he will get it consistent. The jumps in the second half were simply incredible, he was flying, everything easy and so smooth, there was no doubt in his skating at that point. He needs to channel those last three minutes in every performance from now on.
Score: 149.90
Can someone explain to me how that didn't beat the Superchan?
摔了4T，其他都完美。楼主问为何成绩不如围裙？俺也不解啊～
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And here comes the World CHAMPION
Triple Lutz - Triple Toe - perfect
Triple Axel - one of his better ones
Triple Salchow - solid
Circular Steps - he is a bit slow I think
Sitspin - good
Triple Axel - Double Toe - good
Triple Rittberger - good
Triple Flip - Double Toe - Double Toe - small wobble
Triple Lutz - a bit tight
Double Axel
Sitspin - love that one
Steps - good energy here, windmills arrived
Combination Spin - great
Well, everyone who wants to be Olympic Champion needs to beat an 8Triple performance by this guy. It's amazing how he keeps going, how he is so consistent. You can bet that he will do the same in Vancouver. I don't like his style, but you have to admire him. Americans drunk now too.
Score: 154.86
Nah, there was a downgrade on a 3A. The tech is quite low with 76.
雷鸟3A可能降组了，3F2T2T小晃，3LZ有点紧，但其他发挥非常好。76分打低了。
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Allez la FRANCE
Quad Toeloop - perfection
Double Salchow - well, he tried
Triple Axel - 3turn - Triple Toe - he can do Triple Toes after everything...
Circular Steps - nice energy
Triple Salchow - ? not sure, but clean Triple jump, jumped out of nowhere
Triple (?) Axel - double Toe - or was that just a double Axel?
Triple Lutz - hand down
Triple Rittberger - good
Triple Flip - Triple Toe - thanks! at the very near end of the program
Spins - I don't know why people always complain, but his spins aren't really bad
Ah well, he didn't fall on a Double Axel in the last 10 seconds, that's a plus. He should try two Quad Toeloop in his programs though, it's such a consistent jump for him.
Score: 151.70
评论的这个是法国人吧？笑死我了～“he can do Triple Toes after everything”～ 不过猪还真强，3A之后翻了三圈还能再连个3T。
貌似两个3S其中一个做了两周，另一个也不确定。楼主那二五眼估计数晕了，第二个3A也没看清。旋转不咋地，但其他都不错。
KOZ果然是被降组了
而且3LZ跟3L都被降了
猪TX啊，看看你自己三个旋转1，2，3级都有，就是没有四级的，步法也有一个二级
人小陈跟雷鸟都是旋转全4级，步法全3级……
你们的视频究竟在什么地方看的,能给个地址吗?谢谢!@
原帖由 朔望 于 2009-4-17 19:53 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
不过有一种说法是练过四周的人在跳三周时会不自觉的用上跳四的力道,
SO……
偶发现他每次都是第一个3Lz+3T，尤其是第一跳质量尚可，每次到了节目后半段跳第二个3Lz就不行了，体力太差了
惊愕的发现MENSHOV自由滑做了2次4T都非常成功~~~
原帖由 朔望 于 2009-4-17 19:53 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
不过有一种说法是练过四周的人在跳三周时会不自觉的用上跳四的力道,
SO……
吴家亮同学的3Lz似乎好像是有富余的
原帖由 crazyraul7 于 2009-4-17 19:59 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
惊愕的发现MENSHOV自由滑做了2次4T都非常成功~~~
大冬会上靠的就是这两个4T一冲直达LP榜首的
我觉得WJL练好4 Lutz还是有可能的，他的3Lutz高度还是很可观的
原帖由 xiaoyaoyou 于 2009-4-17 20:04 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
我觉得WJL练好4 Lutz还是有可能的，他的3Lutz高度还是很可观的
但就算真的4LZ成功了，还是照样能被他BH的PCS扯下来啊
原帖由 reasonforshe 于 2009-4-17 20:00 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
吴家亮同学的3Lz似乎好像是有富余的
非常富余，不过估计4Lz就欠了，不如自己发明个3周半Lz吧
谁有中国选手的视频啊，想看
吴家亮lutz的高度是不错，但是他转体速度还是不行……4lutz，没那么乐观……练不好就把自己伤到了……