摘录国外一个有趣的观点
Think Torvill/Dean, Gorsha/Sur, Boitano, Zayak, as some various examples. Going through each:Torvill/Dean- speaks for itself. Hardly anyone seemed to agree with their winning only bronze in Lillehammer, and a very distant bronze at that.
Gorsha/Sur- they were ridiculously undermarked as amateurs in their comeback.
Boitano- he wasnt blatantly robbed anywhere, but he wasnt exactly shown the love by the judges either other than at Skate America where he nearly won despite being clearly outskated by Petrenko, but that was being the top American at a U.S invitational. He certainly skated well enough he could have been placed over the little proven and established Scott Davis at Nationals, especialy given how USFSA tends to protect its champions past. At the 94 Olympics he was stingily scored even for the mistakes he made and how he skated, and I doubt would have fared great even skating perfectly.
Zayak- IMO she should have placed higher than 4th at Nationals. A 5.0 for required elements under Nationals scoring standards for her clean and beautiful short program, even with a triple loop combo, was cruel. She should have definitely beaten Bobek's meltdown in the free skate. You could even argue her placing over then immature Kwan managing only 4 of her 7 triples cleanly that night, as Zayak's style had matured so much by then and she did 3 or 4 triples in a pretty clean skate that night.
Kwan- was scored more and more harshly the more time she began taking off in her late years. Judged were seemingly not thrilled at her jumping back into the fray rather than competing regularly.
Witt- I thought she was undermarked to keep finishing below Szewcenko who could do nothing harder than a triple loop herself, and presentation wise paled in comparision to Witt back then. Anyway even if you dont agree as a 2 time Olympic winner some would have figured her to be held up more under 6.0 than say finishing only 8th at Europeans, no matter how she skated.
Gordeeva/Grinkov are the only major exceptions I can think of, but they were younger than the majority of the field still, they were considered by almost all the greatest pair ever by that point, and they have the Russian federation. Miskutienok/Dmitriev and Petrenko too but were both off only 1 year between a 2 year interval Olympics, and were also younger than many of their competitors, so it seemed like nothing as far as a comeback anyway.
The judges do not love "comebacks" IMO and history makes me feel that way. I can already predict confidently that fans will be thinking Shen/Zhou, Cohen, and any other skater who comes back should be scoring higher for their performances than they will. Any of them that wants to succeed will need to clearly trump the efforts of their competitors to best them for a certain position. The one exception might be Plushenko, but again he has the Russian federation on his side. I guess I should define it more clearly that judges do not love "comebacks" of non Russian skaters. FUS上现在关于SZ的复出讨论得好热烈```现在又讨论到了03的LP``又把BS和SP扯了出来,不过我看得似懂非懂
哪位大侠知道他们在讨论什么吗? 原帖由 susi 于 2009-6-4 19:48 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
摘录国外一个有趣的观点
事在人为,要以发展的眼光看问题。如果申赵这次回来确实具有压倒性的技艺优势,裁判又为何不会慷慨一点呢?
TD从84年到94年,Witt从88到94,各自的项目都已经经过了N次改朝换代,而申赵只暂别了两年,他们严格的说也不算comeback吧?SS尽管突出但问题也存在,所以只要SZ能发挥出高水平,我对他们的前景还是很看好的。 原帖由 susi 于 2009-6-4 19:48 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
Think Torvill/Dean, Gorsha/Sur, Boitano, Zayak, as some various examples. Going through each:
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我觉得这篇评论还是很在理的,最起码也是一种冷静的分析。
还是那句话,过程重于结果。 我觉得对于S/Z主要是两个问题:一个是体力问题,尤其是后半段的质量滑行速度也包括赵宏博的跳跃,一个是技术定级,《沉思》里联合转的定级就不好,S/S的分数既然已经上了200,只能说S/S在clean的情况下S/Z是唯一可能与其抗衡的选手,毕竟S/Z不是维特,他们的跳跃难度还不是很低,不管怎么说,明年双人的金牌争夺随着S/Z复出有了较大的悬念。 明年真是空前混乱啊 SZ+ss+pt+zz+ks 好象有说SZ会加难度.难道是3T+3T SEQ .在新闻里看到了他们的的托举的确是很强悍的,那个4组托举的冰面覆盖非常的好而且开始时舞蹈托举还有姿态的变化 太激动了!希望他们取得好成绩 我觉得SZ再怎么样也不会像94年的WITT那么糟糕的
关键是看能不能恢复到06-07赛季的状态, 如果能恢复到当时的水平, 我相信他们依然有上200的实力
SS尽管今年WORLDS上了200, 但他们的稳定性依然存在疑问, 除非他们真的在奥运赛季一下子稳定了, 那也没办法, 只能说是天意了, 客观地说, 滑得基本CLEAN的SS, SZ要超过他们有相当的难度. 但另一方面, 如果SZ在大奖赛上有出色的发挥, 先拿到比较高的分数, 就会给SS制造不小的心理压力, 因为他们本来稳定性就不理想, 再加上心理因素的话, 想要在冬奥会这么重大的赛事上确保完美发挥绝对不是件轻松的事, 而SZ的大赛经验和心理素质是完全不用担心的
所以关键还是要看SZ恢复的程度, 如果能达到06-07赛季的水准, 应该就在五成以上的机会了 申雪赵宏博蜜月让路梦想 奥运金牌梦让他们选择归来
4日中午12点,随着一曲名为《Adagio》的经典配乐在首体训练馆哀婉徊复,申雪、赵宏博两人牵手在冰上翩翩起舞,不需要语言交流,两人的每个动作,每个眼神都在讲述着乐曲中那个缠绵的爱情故事……
2007年,在第三次获得花滑世锦赛冠军后,申雪和赵宏博在公布恋情的同时也退出了国家队。而如今,为了中国双人滑的冬奥零突破,为了他们的奥运金牌梦,这对羡煞旁人的亲密爱人又回来了,我们不禁好奇,离开的这两年,他们的生活是怎样的?
“离开这两年,主要是忙于演出,经营自己的俱乐部,找时间调养自己,享受一下生活。”坐在锻炼腰腹力量的皮垫上,赵宏博开始向记者讲述离开后的生活,“07年世锦赛后,我们淡出国家队,和深圳世界之窗签订了为期三年的合约,经营一家面向社会的商业性的滑冰俱乐部,就叫申雪赵宏博滑冰俱乐部,对方出资,我们出教练。”赵宏博说俱乐部里有六、七名他们带过去的教练,很多都是前国家队队员,负责教一些冰龄一两年的孩子,但他和申雪很少在那边上课,偶尔会去做些指导,“因为是合作,所以经营起来非常简单,基本不用我们操心。”赵宏博笑言。
除了经营俱乐部,申雪赵宏博其他时间都在世界各地飞,参加滑冰演出,一年大概六、七十场,“我和小雪参加了一个叫世界星的演出团,是世界上唯一的每年都在搞的职业表演团体。团里的成员都是前世界冠军或奥运会前三名。演出的时间比较集中,在美国四、五个月,在加拿大四、五个月。”参加演出不仅可以挣钱还可以免费旅行,“作为加拿大旅游局的形象代言人,我们很自然地会到加拿大风光最好的地方旅游,拍照,对方会全程接待。”说着,赵宏博得意地笑了起来,用他的话说就是花着别人的钱度他俩长长的“蜜月”,“训练场、餐厅、宿舍,在运动队三点一线的单调生活过了那么多年,我和小雪一直都很想好好享受一下生活,离开这两年,我们实现了这个想法。我们喜欢滑雪,喜欢看NBA,喜欢看冰球比赛,这样就有足够的时间做喜欢的事。”
73年的赵宏博比申雪大5岁,生活中他也会像哥哥一样处处让着申雪,虽然在做同题同答时,申雪说吵架了没有谁先道歉,但采访过程中,赵宏博总会不经意地呵护着申雪,训练时,个子很大的赵宏博用了个很小的垫子锻炼腰腹,而申雪却用着大垫子。在问及是否在生活中会被申雪欺负,赵宏博怜爱地看着申雪连连摇头,“那不会,不过女孩都有点任性。”
赵宏博18岁时就与不到13岁的申雪开始配对双人滑,17年的时间让两人成为一对有着共同目标、共同话题的夫妻搭档,无论是训练比赛还是生活,两人都很少红脸,出现摩擦也吵不起来,最多冷战几天,“我们俩在一起时间太长了,性格方面也差不多,都属于不太会应酬那种,小雪是那种特别温柔的人,让你根本就没办法跟她急,我们从来都没吼过对方,更别说为了什么事吵得面红耳赤了。”谈到爱妻,赵宏博话语里充满着甜蜜,说很庆幸能找到这么个知心爱人,不过话锋一转,赵宏博也会拿申雪开涮,“家里我做饭,小雪从不下厨,也就会热热菜,她也不想学,就觉得我会做菜,就不用她做了。”赵宏博说他的拿手菜是烧茄子,但厨艺也一般,“这么多年在运动队,不可能会做一手好菜,反正能做熟,好吃倒不见得。”
对于已经功成名就的申雪、赵宏博来说,选择在离开两年后重回赛场并不是个容易做出的决定。“年龄的增长让我们的体能无法与巅峰时期相比,更何况这两年世界花滑格局已经发生了很大改变,比如竞赛规则和裁判的审美标准都有所变化。因此,无论怎样,复出都需要很大的勇气,会面临很多意想不到的事。”赵宏博说因为有梦想,那是他俩坚持的最大动力。
复出的决定让两人的生活突然又发生了很大变化,生活重心从家庭回到了训练和备战冬奥会,回到国家队,意味着又回到结婚前三点一线的运动队生活,虽然每天的空余时间也不少,但两人却很少腻在一起,更多则是在训练前和训练后的交流,每次上冰前,两人会有40分钟的交流和热身时间,这段时间也是申雪和赵宏博每天说话时间最长的时候。
领证一年多的小俩口,一直没举行婚礼,生孩子的计划也没有提上议程,“婚礼要等到明年冬奥会以后了,冬奥会之后应该就会退役了,生活重心真正转到家庭上,表演也会减少。”赵宏博表示。 已经把who wants to live forever和Adagio 下载下来了~要听的滚瓜乱数的~!呜呜~期待10月的北京~! 扑上边发的是体坛周报的内容
补一个同题问答:
1.申雪最喜欢的颜色,食物?
S:红色;涮羊肉 Z:蓝色,黑色;西瓜,咖啡 (这好像是唯一一个答案完全不一样的)
2.幸福的定义?
S:天天快乐 Z:享受快乐
3.第一次配对有来电的感觉吗?
S:没.太小,刚12 Z:没啥感觉
4.谁先追求谁
S:没谁追谁,我们太熟了 Z:顺其自然的(我怎么记得Z以前说是他先)
5.第一次情人节赵宏博送了什么?
S:没收到 Z:没送
6.家务谁做?
S:他做饭,我收拾屋子 Z:小雪洗东西,做饭是我
7.在家谁掌握财权?
S:他. Z:我. 上来看看,啊,有点紧张,要高考了,考完了我好好补习一下 最后一个。。。。。 恩。。雪姐很诚实。。 忍不住8个问题,SZ的年龄有没有改过?因为他们自己经常说的不一样