Yvonne 发表于 2003-2-14 18:03:00

如果要换节目,但是新的节目又要优于《图兰朵》,恐怕是要请外国编导来编排了。pang/tong也没换节目,可能他们的编排是姚滨的得意之作,所以要再编排就难了。我想shen/zhao的节目没换也是这个道理吧。

alexes 发表于 2003-4-14 21:36:00

Tarasova学生的成绩(截止到2001年)
EUROPE CHAMPIONSHIPS. ICE DANCE:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
2001 BRATISLAVA BARBARA FUSAR-POLI - MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO GOLD
2000 VIENNA BARBARA FUSAR-POLI - MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO SILVER
1998 MILAN OKSANA GRISCHUK - EVGENI PLATOV GOLD
1997 PARIS OKSANA GRISCHUK - EVGENI PLATOV GOLD
1992 LAUSANNE MARINA KLIMOVA - SERGEI PONOMARENKO GOLD
1988 PRAGUE NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1987 SARAEVO NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1986 COPENHAGEN NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1985 GOTHENBURG NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1984 BUDAPEST NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN SILVER
1983 DORTMUND NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1982 LYON NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN SILVER
1980 GOTHENBURG IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV BRONZE
1979 ZAGREB IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV SILVER
1978 STRASBOURG IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV GOLD
1977 HELSINKI IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV GOLD
1976 GENEVA IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV SILVER
1970 LENINGRAD TATIANA VOJTUK - VIACHESLAV ZHIGALIN BRONZE
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. ICE DANCE:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
2001 VANCOUVER BARBARA FUSAR-POLI - MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO GOLD
2000 NICE BARBARA FUSAR-POLI - MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO SILVER
1997 LAUSANNE OKSANA GRISCHUK - EVGENI PLATOV GOLD
1992 OAKLAND MARINA KLIMOVA - SERGEI PONOMARENKO GOLD
1988 BUDAPEST NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1987 CINCINNATI NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1986 GENEVA NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1985 TOKYO NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1984 ОТТАVА NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN SILVER
1983 HELSINKI NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN SILVER
1982 COPENHAGEN NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN SILVER
1981 HARTFORD NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN BRONZE
1980 DORTMUND IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV BRONZE
1979 VIENNA IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV BRONZE
1978 ОТТАVА IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV SILVER
1977 TOKYO IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV GOLD
1976 GOTHENBURG IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV SILVER
1975 COLORADO IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV GOLD
OLYMPIC GAMES. ICE DANCE:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
1998 NAGANO OKSANA GRISCHUK - EVGENI PLATOV GOLD
1992 ALBERTVILLE MARINA KLIMOVA - SERGEI PONOMARENKO GOLD
1988 CALGARY NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN GOLD
1984 SARAJEVO NATALIA BESTEMIANOVA - ANDREI BUKIN SILVER
1976 INNSBRUCK IRINA MOISEEVA - ANDREI MINENKOV SILVER
EUROPE CHAMPIONSHIPS. MEN:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
2001 BRATISLAVA ALEXEY YAGUDIN SILVER
2000 VIENNA ALEXEY YAGUDIN SILVER
1999 PRAGUE ALEXEY YAGUDIN GOLD
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. MEN:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
2001 VANCOUVER ALEXEY YAGUDIN SILVER
2000 NICE ALEXEY YAGUDIN GOLD
1999 HELSINKI ALEXEY YAGUDIN GOLD
OLYMPIC GAMES. MEN:
YEAR CITY СПОРТСМЕНЫ MEDALS
1998 NAGANO ILYA KULIK GOLD
EUROPE CHAMPIONSHIPS. PARE:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
1980 GOTHENBURG IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1978 STRASBOURG IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1977 HELSINKI IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1976 GENEVA IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1975 COPENHAGEN IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. PARE:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
1978 ОТТАVA IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1977 ТОКYО IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1976 GOTHENBURG IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1975 COPENHAGEN IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLDО
OLYMPIC GAMES. PARE:
YEAR CITY FIGURE SKATERS MEDALS
1980 LAKE PLACID IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
1976 INNSBRUCK IRINA RODNINA - ALEXANDER ZAITSEV GOLD
补充:
2002年欧锦赛,奥运会和世锦赛男单冠军Alexei Yagudin
2002年奥运会冰舞第3,BARBARA FUSAR-POLI - MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO GOLD
2002年世锦赛冰舞亚军Bourne/Kraatz

和Tarasova多年合作的服装设计师:
Natella Abdulaeva


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冰川 发表于 2003-4-15 13:22:00

我的天!!冰神!!!

alexes 发表于 2003-5-31 10:43:00

美国男单新秀,2001年青少年世锦赛冠军Johnny Weir,目前也请Tarasova指导和编排。
http://www.usfsa.org/team/men/weirjohn.htm
老太太以往的采访
http://www.chinaice.org/2635/dispbbs.asp?boardID=307&ID=413



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alexes 发表于 2003-8-22 02:47:00

看了Johnny Weir的这个采访,我有一个感触,作为一个教练,如何训练选手是一门艺术。究竟为什么Tarasova能带出那么多冠军呢?和她执教的方式,以及对音乐的理解,编排有很多关系。
所以我还是硬着头皮把这段采访翻译出来,大家可以对Tarasova的训练方式有一个简单的了解,如果有不当之处希望大家指正。
http://www.kataniye.com/johnny_weir/interview.htm#08/11/03
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Johnny Weir(以下简称JW)访谈
问:你在Simsbury和Tatiana Tarasova 训练的情况是什么样的?
JW:这个夏天应该说是我滑冰生涯最好的。现在我不断鞭策自己,努力工作,非常专注于滑冰,无论哪一部分都在顺利的进行,是我从事的最给与我灵感的训练。Tatiana对她说的和做的每件事都非常的投入,让人喜欢。仅仅过了一个月我就学到了很多东西,而且我相信我将学到更多。除了接受Tatiana的指导,每天与Sasha(Cohen) 和Andrei (Gryazev)共同训练也非常棒,因为这样可以不断促使我去尝试更难的动作,更刻苦训练。我的意思是Tatiana 也是这样做的,但和每一天都有人与你竞争还是不一样的。自从我搬到Simsbury ,我的信心增强了不少。当你的动作不好看或不对的时候,Tatiana会很明确的指出,但是如果你做得非常好,她也会很兴奋,即使是你仅仅是正确的做了一个简单到象转三这样的动作,都会让她这样的教练很兴奋,对你来说是一种肯定。
问:能形容一下在Simsbury的一个典型的训练日吗?
JW:在Simsbury,训练是重中之重,但同时也是另人感到轻松和畅快的。我们早上训练课布置练习的内容,跳跃练习,旋转,步法和一些跳跃动作。这对有些人来说是很轻松的,但对我不是。因为所有的练习对我来说是全新的,所以我经常忘记一些动作,有点麻烦。到下午的训练课前,我们有一段休息的时间。在下午的课上,我们练习更多的跳跃,编排节目,旋转还有新的动作。一周结束后确实非常疲惫,但是我们还是不断努力。
在Simsbury的训练时间比在Delaware长很多。我们上午训练一个半小时,下午也是训练一个半小时。不用那么匆忙的完成训练内容真是太好了。那确实很累,但非常值得,当你回顾训练课,确信你的动作比自己开始预计的要熟练得多。
问:能谈谈你的新短节目吗?音乐,编排什么的......
JW:新的短节目曾经有点问题。Liberty比赛前一周,Tatiana 把音乐介绍给我,我得说开始我对这个音乐并不热衷,音乐对我来说太古典了,我希望能音乐符合我的年龄,并且更有意思一点,这当然不会让她高兴。但是不久我就决定开始节目编排,如果我仍然不喜欢,就放弃这个音乐。
随着编排的开始,我觉得我越来越喜欢这个音乐的故事。音乐叫"Valse Triste" (Sad Waltz),故事讲述的是一个年轻人从战争中归来,发现他所爱的人都没有能幸存。Tatiana 用如此的激情讲述这个故事的时候,我开始能够感受这个音乐。现在节目已经完成了,我真的爱上了这个音乐,而且认为比"Cirque du Soleil." 上了一个台阶。节目优雅流畅,非常美。
编排中仍然有其他的障碍,Tatiana 的学生都是以非常有创造性的步法而闻名。我从来没有做过很难的步法,因此两个要求的步法对我来说是巨大的挑战。在这方面,Alexei(Yagudin),Maya(Usova) Tatiana和Yevgeny (Platov)都不断帮助我成为一个更好的"footworker." 。节目的基调是诗意的,典雅的;但是部分确是快速而急促的,形成鲜明对比,很有趣。当提到“Tarasova的步法”的时候,人们头脑中想到的是Alexei Yagudin,间断步和刀齿步,而我的步法是有更多的是用刀刃滑行,更多的是转体,也有用刀齿的,但长距离滑行和用刀刃滑行要比Yagudin的多。我想那是很辉煌,应该是的,因为我花了那么多时间练习,特别是步法。当然,我并不希望花那么多时间在上面,但是节目的编排真的是艺术创作,作为一个团队,我们做得非常好。
问:在Tatiana Tarasova的训练方式中,你最喜欢那方面,最不喜欢那方面?
JW:不管怎么说,几乎没有什么另我不快的事情。我喜欢Tatiana的训练方式。一方面,她会让你为了引起她的注意而努力,如果你出去或者做个平庸跳跃,她就象没有看见你一样;但如果你做了个非常精彩的跳跃,她会非常兴奋的为你鼓掌。
另外一方面,她知道有关滑冰的一切。她能够教冰舞,跳跃,旋转,双人滑,一切有关滑冰的事。我从她那里学到全部有关跳跃的技巧,使我的动作更加协调,我的四周跳也做得轻松多了。很多人都坐在那说“Tatiana是个冰舞教练,她只教那些技术上已经成熟的单人滑选手”,我就能举例反驳,在Tatiana的指导下,我的跳跃比以往提高了很多,我敢说Sasha 也是如此。
就象我前面提到的,在她的指导下我变得更加自信。她能找到适合你的训练方法,使你做到最好。从我的角度看,她不象其他人说我很好,她会告诉我好在什么地方,使我变得与众不同。她能让我们不去想曾经在哪儿跳跃摔倒,或者步法出错。我做任何事都充满信心,我能完整的完成一套节目,我能做任何我想做的跳跃,我能够完美的旋转,我能不出差错的完成我的步法。正是这些能使我成为比自己的想象中好要好的滑冰选

风铃 发表于 2003-8-22 18:04:00

塔拉索娃能够让自己的学生自动自发的热爱训练:)她能给予学生信心和热情。

alexes 发表于 2003-12-9 20:32:00

Tatiana Tarasova 的最新采访
转载自AYDP,http://pub76.ezboard.com/falexeidiscussiongroupdiscussionsonalexei.showMessage?topicID=6194.topic
英文翻译Tanya 自www.sport-express.ru/art.shtml?78635

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The Tarasoves: A Blood Line

December 8, 2003. By Elena Vaitsekhovskaya

Translated by Tanya

Every time I have to talk to Tatiana Tarasova at her home, I notice how difficult it is to concentrate on conversation. Commonly, Tarasova enthusiastically speaks about her students, but I keep looking at the picture of her father, Anatoly Vladimirovich, and the same thoughts keep going through my head: if he was still alive (he would turn 85 on December 10th), he would definitely be proud of his daughter. The answer to the question "What kind of a coach Tarasov was?" can be found in her character.

We met at the end of November, after the Moscow Grand Prix event. Despite the late hour Tarasova's mother and older sister were also atTatiana Anatoljevna's place. (She had to fly to the U.S. the next day). While waiting for her to finish a phone conversation, I asked her mother:

"Nina Grigorjevna, what was harder for you - Anatoly Vladimirovich training the national hockey team, or Tanya becoming a coach?"

"My husband was always very confident about himself. When he used to call at home to change before the competition, I was saying to him: "Good luck!". He always replied: "Thanks". He never believed in any omens. He never showed whether he was upset, or in doubt. Whom he would show it to? To us, women? Tanya is a completely different story..."

At the Olympic Games in Nagano, when I asked the American sports journalist Bob Edelman what he thought about Tarasova, he shortly noted: "Blood line".

Blood line means heredity. The great Anatoly Tarasov was one of the most ambiguous personalities in the world of sport. During his life he was surrounded by adoration and success, but at the same time, by envy tied with hatred. Who would have thought that exactly the same fate would strike his younger daughter?

Tarasova has already surpassed her father in the quantity of the titles. Alexei Yagudin's victory in Salt Lake City was her 7th Olympic gold medal. If we count all the gold medals won by her students at Europeans, Worlds and Olympics, it will make 41. However, as soon as I said "great coach" in regards to her, Tarasova immediatelly cut me short:

"My father was the great. I'm well known. But the longer I live abroad, the more I become assured that Tarasov is the only name to become legendary in USA as well as in the whole world. Not only in hockey".

("They envy him even now when he is dead", - angrily said Tatiana once. We were talking about CSKA, about the fact that there was still no bust of the legendary coach at the club's Sport Honor Gallery.

"You know why it's not there?" - she asked me bitterly. - Because he didn't have the Lenin's Order. Can you imagine: CSKA Honor Gallery - without Tarasov! Nonsense!)

The attitude many sports officials carried towards your father, and that sometimes they pass onto you - what is it? A retribution for success?

Maybe. It's some kind of jealousy... People tend to like something they can take part in. But my father was always on his own. I'm also at my own. Nobody helped me, I never asked for anything. A parvenu. The same with my dad. He was doing his job. He never asked anybody how to behave, whom to include or not to include into the team. How to work, and how much to work. There is a certain fear towards such people, because they are unpredictable and uncontrollable. A couple of years ago there was a moment when I thought I was unpopular coach. Because I was not favored by the officials. I even thought I was going to suffer from that. Right now, I'm not suffering. Only if from a headache or when my blood sugar level is high. Or when close people are being ill. But from those small points... Everyone should do one's business. I'm doing mine.

Is your training system a result of your own experience?

There's so much experience gained in this field that there's

alexes 发表于 2003-12-9 20:33:00

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Do you try to hide your nervousness from your students?

Well yes, I take my bunch of nervine pills. When Lyosha Yagudin skated, I guess, he felt how nervous I was for him. That's why before the skate he wouldn't look at me. We didn't even talk at practices.

At all?

You may not say anything, but there are the eyes, the hands, the guards, the tissue-papers, the water... You have to bring everything and to know when to give it to the athlete. To hold him near the boards if you feel it's necessary, or just the opposite, to send him to skate.

I have to say some words to Sasha Cohen before she skates. When her name is announced, she turns her face to me with her huge eyes looking right at me, and I say her a phrase that I prepare for several days. I always say it in Russian.

I often ask her: "Probably you don't understand me?" She says: "No, I understand you". I don't think she understands 100% everything, but that's for the better. What one can say in temper...

Cohen is the first elite level ladies skater in your career. What are the new things you learn while working with her?

I never met a person who'd so fanatically and yet so joyfully and reasonably tortured herself at the practices. Sasha does the amount of work meant for men. I train her like I trained Kulik and Yagudin. I never thought she was able to work like that.

For half an hour after each practice Sasha does streching exercises, so with the flexibilty she has her back wouldn't hurt. She realizes perfectly that the muscles need work in order to avoid injuries.

Of course I want this girl to win. The first time this autumn she won over Michelle Kwan - in New York, at "Madison Square Garden". I was waiting for the moment when she steps onto the ice next morning. Because after such victories athletes are capable of everything. They gain confidence that cannot be trained at practices. I'll never forget how Kulik completed his first quad Salchow - it was on the day after he won the pre-Olympic Russian Nationals.

Watching like Sasha was literally flying across the ice, I couldn't help but start smiling. Then I felt Lyosha Yadudin was looking at me, with both understanding and jealousy: "That's it, she's in love already..."

I listened to Tarasova having this question in my head: what would her father say? He couldn't imagine himself working for another country. Would he understand and support her?

As if she felt it, Tarasova stopped talking. Then she continued:

When I was 30 I was sent to Italy to work as we were saying back then, for food. For 30% day pay. The manager of the club was a millionaire, who owned jewellery shops around Europe. By the way, we are still friends with him. He built a rink for his daughter. He was coming to the practices, he saw how I worked for 10 hours a day, doing a choreography for the programs for everyone who wanted it. And suddenly he offered: "Stay here. The rink will be yours. As well as 12-bedroom house. I'm sure people from all over the world will be coming to you".

I was so scared that I was ready to pack my bags and leave. I couldn't even think about discrediting my family by living abroad. I started to explain him something about how much I love my country. He didn't understand: "But noone forbids you from loving it, right?" Then I confessed: "You see, my dad is there. If I stay, he will be dismissed from the army and put to jail. And he will be forced to condemn me. It's impossible".

My dad was invited to NHL, to "Rangers". He was offered a 3 million dollars contract. It's the same as 10 millions today. At that time he wasn't working, he wasn't invited anywhere, they didn't show him on TV. He get to know about the letter from NHL 1,5 years after it was received by Sports Committee. The Americans were told that Tarasov was very ill, that he couldn't even walk.

Once when he was really seriously ill, he asked me suddenly: "Why didn't you advise me to go there?" I was confused: "Did you ever ask?"

Do you think he could work there?

I think about other things. If he went

alexes 发表于 2004-2-13 00:14:00

祝老太太生日快乐!!

立羽 发表于 2004-2-13 23:07:00

姚斌只带出双人滑,老太太怎么能冰舞双人女单男单都行的啊 太厉害了。她对花滑真的是感悟超级厉害啊。

dy 发表于 2004-3-28 14:54:00

超级老太太!
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