<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>嘟嘟</I>在2005-3-21 14:09:18的发言：</B>
<P><FONT size=2> 我记得很多次，我们的运动员在遭受不平等待遇的时候，我们国家体育界的有关领导却总以沉默来对待，很多时候只能打掉牙往肚子里咽，真是太让人心寒了。</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2> </FONT></P> </DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f3f3f3">不光是体育赛事上，就连政治上比如华人在印尼遭到如此惨无人道的蹂躏和欺侮，中国政府也只是提出严厉抗议，然后就没下文了，要是换成美国人早就开战了。当然我也不是好战份子，我的意思是应该采取一些实质性的反击措施而不是只停留在嘴上。这种“懦弱”（请原谅我用这个词）似乎有历史渊源可以追朔。我们固然没有加拿大和美国这样的影响力可以把金牌抢过来，但孰可忍孰不可忍，我们应该分清楚！如果再有类似事件发生而我们的官员仍然采取忍气吞声的方式来处理的话，以后这样的事就还会不断在中国人身上发生！</FONT>
<P>真是没意思~~</P><P>做中国的运动员或者做中国人真是太难了~~</P><P>那些领导怎么都这么懦弱？！</P><P>希望明年咱们也要造势~~~</P><P>PS：看来T/M的教练还真势恶劣~~</P>
<P>中国官员教练眼里就只有sz,范的着嘛,06年后你们就得靠这对小的给你们挣脸面,挣政绩啊!用的着如此功利嘛.真是想想都气.当然最不要脸皮的就是那个tt了,还有那个教练了,看了那些描述我真是恶心的不行了.这种人哎,坏女孩上天堂,好女孩下地狱,在国际花滑界看来也是如此. 早知道真把她撞了,还划的着些.她那次伤成那样我还可怜她,坛子里的人不记前嫌的为他们祝福,哎看来他们就是那条冬眠的蛇啊.tt光从长象就觉得她不是个什么善人,长的我就讨厌.</P>
<P>就因为她和她教练我对俄罗斯都没什么好印象了.说中国人agressive,好象agressive是俄罗斯人很有名的一个性格吧,多喝点伏特加就不知道自己是老几了. 如果这话侵犯了一些人就请多多包含了.一个朋友说我是一听到一件什么不公平的事情就会马上拍案而起的性格,不管这事离我十万八千里还是八万十千里.我如果是那个文涛,肯定不能平平静静的采访提问,肯定会开始呸他们,羞辱他们.他们只配这个.还是气量不够大啊.要是我真能去读体育管理,以后混进国际滑联,一定要让这种人绝种,哎白日梦还没做醒.</P>
<P>讨论一下关于中俄两国人民友谊的事情,我听人这么说过俄罗斯有不少人对中国报一种敌视态度.我从他们的角度上可以一部分理解这种心态,毕竟是紧邻,就象印度老是要可笑的要把中国当成假想敌.谁要中国这些年发展的这么快呢.国际社会老是怕中国太强大以后玩单边政策,中国一是为了和气生财,要个稳定的环境来发展经济,二我看也是怕做个什么被人当成把柄,人言可畏啊.所以就刚脆碰到大事就当缩头乌龟,出来说几句不痛不痒的话来平息一下民愤,然后就一个不准报,所有的媒体就哑火了(前几年有一个非常出名的例子,我这么大年纪的人肯定记得很清楚).出人命的事都没出头声张一下,你说被人在打分上欺负一下,又有谁会站出来呢?看击剑比赛,那简直是自己找气受,很久以前有一次看了在韩国举行的亚锦赛,看完了我就觉得看击剑简直就是一种折磨. 走题了. 头头都没有谁为了什么出个头,大家觉得这种比赛会有人为了运动员做什么大快人心的事嘛?不过姚冰的话确实比较解气,但也是马后炮了. 不是都说中国变强大后要怎么样怎么样,咱们就别那么压抑了,该怎么做就怎么做吧,不说侵略别人,起码自己的起码的利益和公道还是应该讨回来的吧. 真希望有一天中国人能畅所欲言啊.</P>
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我说俄罗斯人对咱们报敌视态度只是听人家通过他的亲身经历说的.当然那不代表所有的俄罗斯人,更何况中俄关系那么长又那么复杂.我不想在这里挑起国际争端.一些ggmm们不要没事对号入坐.谢谢理解
<P>那个瓦斯列夫肯定是很嫉恨姚教练的那翻“两个第一的言论”，哈哈，谁听了都不是滋味，更何况是一些本来就不怎么样的人呀。这样可能在他心里就埋下报复的炸弹了。还有感觉姚教练有些话也应该对外国媒体澄清一下，光在国内说说又有什么用处。现在黑锅全让自己人背了。</P><P>另外对姚教练的话也有疑问，俄罗斯三对是不同教练。瓦斯列夫根本没有必要因为Z/Z赢过俄罗斯的P/T而感觉心里不舒服，相反他可能会很高兴，因为那样更能突现他的T/M的位置和重要性。还有就是我记忆里Z/Z好像是没有赢过P/T的，今年在俄罗斯大奖赛他们赢得是O/S。</P>
<P><FONT size=2> 今天下午发了这个贴，是我一直很想说的心里话，为什么国外的运动员在遭受不平等待遇的时候，教练和有关的部门就可以马上站出来为他们讨回公道，而我们国家的有关部门却无法做到这一点？这些运动员可是为了祖国的荣誉在赛场上拼死拼活呀！</FONT></P><P><FONT size=2> </FONT></P><P><FONT size=2> </FONT></P>
<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>admin</I>在2005-3-21 11:55:09的发言：</B>
<P>得知对方大肆炒作后，我当时就有想法，马上召开新闻发布会，做坚决回击，如果回国再开发布会，根本就没有意思。后来还是忍住了。</P></DIV>
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<P>WHY NOT？？？？？
<P>新闻发布会在场的都是ABC、BBC之类的头牌媒体，Bad news travels fast. 恶劣影响早就传播开了。等你回国对一个发行量只有几万份的国内小杂志（不是我贬《劲体育？）发牢骚，有什么用啊？！
<P>给你场合申诉你不申诉，现在来后悔，真的是太迟了。
<P>这帖越读越郁闷。郁闷程度可与奥运会时三剑客被黑事件相提并论。
<P>劲体育也不是小杂志，是足球报..........</P><P>关键是当时记者和组委会根本找不到姚滨他们，他们回宾馆了，还把电话关了，我记得到了第二天国内都中午了还是没找到，下午才跟他们联系上总而言之，这件事情太失策了，教练员和运动员可以关机防止打扰，但是团部的其他领导最好还是要留一个联络通道，真有事发生叫天天不应叫地地不灵的</P>
<P>以后比赛热身还是要热的,只是一定要小心了,有些人什么都做的出来的.</P><P>TT和她教练真是狼狈为奸的天生一对.</P>
<P>下次如果再发生相撞事件，就往死里撞!反正也会被冤枉!</P>
<P>我也不理解为什么每次中国运动员受了这么大的委屈，相关官员都采取“息事宁人”的做法，悲哀~~</P>
<P>唉……一直以来就觉得俄罗斯人都挺直的，说话难听，但人还是8错的，比如普、小卡娅不都是这样。所以一直以这个标准揣摩TM，没想到，他们和他们的那个极品教练，真是给苦难深重点俄罗斯丢脸啊……</P><P>更遗憾的是，本来咱们能借这个机会给中国长脸的，结果，就这么，放弃了……</P><P>看到有人说姚滨沉默可能是因为怕在俄罗斯出问题回不来什么的，会不会是这样啊？忒恐怖了……</P>
<P>最初还以为只有Tot是人间极品，没想到他们的教练也不是省油的灯。</P><P>曾有报道，去年V.Volchkova曾到美国去向Vassiliev拜师，但由于和T/M相处不和等缘故，导致她不得不频繁更换教练，最终状态直线下降，连世锦赛都差点没有去成。
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<P>TT 和教练的故事：</P>
<P><FONT size=2>OLEG VASILIEV</FONT> </P>
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<DIV>Famous Figure Skating Coach, Olympic Champion Oleg Vasiliev, is in Love with his Student.
Interview with Oleg Vasiliev (OV) on February 1, 2005 by a correspondent of the Russian Language On-Line publication "Express Gazeta" - Mr. Sergey Dadygin (SD.
At the European Championship, which came to an end in Turin on Sunday, January 30, thousands of spectators watched the magnificent skating of Russian pair Tatyana TOTMJANINA and Maxim MARININ. It was their debut at the international level after autumn of last year, when, at the US stage of the "Grand Prix," Tatyana fell on the ice and lost consciousness. The diagnosis was unfavorable - a brain concussion.
OV- As soon as possible, I called Tatyana's mom and tried to calm her down. All 20 hours while Tatyana was in the hospital, I was nearby. Her mom wanted to fly from Russia to Pittsburgh, but to receive a visa to the USA in one or two days is impossible. And it did not make a lot of sense. A brain concussion is certainly bad, but it is not fatal. In figure skating, unfortunately, traumas are inevitable.
Oleg Vasilev recollected a unique case. At the end of the 1970s, a Soviet figure skater Irina Vorobeva ( who performed in pair with Igor Lisovsky) received a brain concussion during the World Championship. It occurred at practice before the free program. By all opinions, the pair of Vorobeva - Lisovsky should have been removed from the tournament. However, the next day, contrary to the doctor’s ban, Irina went on the ice. And she and Igor stepped up on a pedestal! It was reported that in all of Irina Vorobeva’s sports career, she had 11 brain concussions. She is still suffering from headaches. Because of a similar trauma,Tatyana Tarasova who has become subsequently a well-known coach, left sports ahead of her time.
At first, physicians told Totmjanina that she should refrain from practice for a month. But Tanja improved quickly, and doctors allowed her to step on the ice two weeks after that fall. However, the skater herself tried to make it much earlier, as soon as she felt better. She was literally drawn to the skating rink. Vasilev, to slow her down and prevent further problems, took her car to the service center. He also asked her friends not hurry her up.
OV - When we returned from Pittsburgh to Chicago, journalists did not let us pass. We went from one television studio to another - and it lasted three whole days. CNN, ABC, NBC - all the leading TV channels of America and local, from Chicago, took our interviews. It was a mad house.
SD - Were you surprised that Tatyana did not remember the moment of falling at all?
OV- No, not at all. It is the normal reaction of a healthy organism - to block out what is not necessary to remember.
SD- What does your working day in Chicago consist of?
OV - From six to eight o'clock in the morning, I work with American children. Then, around nine, Tanja with Maxim come in. We conduct two practice sessions in succession, with a two-hour break for rest. Approximately at three o'clock in the afternoon, the skaters are free and can engage in their own activities. And I again step on the ice till six in the evening to coach the youngsters.
When Oleg Vasilev left for Chicago, his spouse Valentina remained with their daughter in St. Petersburg. According to Oleg, his wife did not want to sit idle in the States, while in Petersburg she had a business. Valentina did not want to drop her business. The spouses met several times a year, and not only in Chicago or Petersburg, but also, for example, in London. There, four years ago, they marked the birthday of their daughter, Katenka (who turned six), and were on top of the world with happiness.
But a couple of years ago the "marriage at a distance” finally broke up. By the way, the first wife of Vasilev was a well known figure skater, Elena Valova. Together with her, Oleg, in 1984, became the Olympic Champion in a Pairs. Valova now lives in the USA and works as a c
基本上我想姚滨的担心什么运动员的朋友和亲戚会袭击中国运动员那是过虑了，自打哈丁事件以后，没人会这么做，得不偿失。说到底，等官员和教练们想出来开发布会的时候已经晚了，第二天中午，人都走光了，那个时候说还真的不如不说。
<P>[转载]花滑队回京张昊回忆“撞人”事件：对方很没素质 </P><P>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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本报讯(记者邓科)昨日上午，出征莫斯科的中国花样滑冰队回到北京。身着一身休闲服的张昊与张丹并肩走出机场通道。</P><P> “没素质！”虽然事隔多日，但谈起莫斯科世锦赛上不慎与托米尼娜发生碰撞一事，张昊还是一脸的委屈。“她觉得自己是世界冠军，在滑行当中就不让我们。我们在滑行之前习惯性都向后看一眼，的确了没有人之后，我就加速。她直线的向前走，我那时跟本看不见她了，所以这个责任应该完全在她。”</P><P> 在事发之后，张昊跟本没有管自己，马上起来用英语向托米尼娜道歉，但她转头用俄语说了一串很长的话。张昊说：“我听不懂她的语言，但从她的表情上我觉得她是在骂我，一下子对她的印象就降低了。”</P><P> 最让张昊不能接受的还是事后出现运动员休息室中，托米尼娜的教练瓦斯列夫大骂他的一幕。“他指着我说，没有下一次了。我感觉这个教练员素质简直太低了，他跟本不配大牌教练的素质。”谈到这里，张昊的脸憋的通红，一帮的张丹则静静看着他。</P><P> 撞人事件发生后，虽然托米尼娜号称“严重受伤”但在合练时她依然出现在了冰场上，看上去“还算完好”，但张昊却因腰部受伤足足在床上躲了5天。“我滑了两下跟教练说，我的腰完了，疼的受不了了，挺不住了。”</P><P> 唯一让张昊感到舒服的是托米尼娜的男伴马列宁：“她那个男伴还可以，紧着说，没事，没事。”</P><P> 主教练姚滨谈到这事件时，脸上布满了阴云。“瓦斯列夫实在做的有点不合适，虽然后来感觉到之前有点太过份了，主动过来问我张昊的腰怎么样。但在赛后新闻发布会上，他居然又拿撞人的事说了近1个小时，真是不可理喻。他这样做完全就是违背了体育道德。”</P>