fjn219 发表于 2007-5-26 00:37:27

哪位大人能介绍一下加拿大冰舞选手B/K?

对他们不是很了解,只知道他们出名很早,96 97年两届worlds的铜牌,可是最后只是在03worlds拿到了他们唯一的一个世界冠军

他们02oly是什么成绩?谢谢!!

franzlfan 发表于 2007-5-26 01:06:34

02oly是第四名,FD接近结束的时候摔了,555 不然还是有希望拿到奖牌的……

frenchrabbit 发表于 2007-5-26 01:26:35

Bourne&Kraatz
这是一对出道非常早的选手,参加了10多年的世界大赛,是一对路途非常坎坷的选手,93年第一次参加世界锦标赛,获得第14名,当时女伴17,男伴22。之后成绩迅速提高,94年奥运会第10,世锦赛第6,95年世锦赛第4名,96-99年连续4年的世锦赛铜牌。00年因伤缺席了世锦赛,01年第4,02年奥运会第4,世锦赛第2,03年拿到冠军后退役。
这对选手的表演非常好,基本功也很扎实,但是非常无奈,不同时期总是有不同的人超过他们,本来他们是非常有希望在两对俄罗斯选手GP和KO之后占领冰坛的,但是AP的迅速进步和崛起打碎了他们原有的蓝图,随着00年一年的缺席,FPM和LA也超过了他们。
98年奥运会,BK的自由舞赢了AP,但是因为前面输的比较多,所以没有获得奖牌,这是他们距离奖牌最近的一次,02年奥运会,他们又一次和奖牌擦肩而过,悲哀。
BK是一对非常Powerful的组合,滑行速度非常好,节目的风格偏向现代音乐和快节奏的节目,大家比较熟悉的大河之舞,杰克逊等等。包括最后一年的Adagio,也是改编了的快节奏电子音乐版本。
他们的缺点是难度的不足和风格的单一。从我个人的角度来看,BK的表演在90年代中后期的6对黄金组合中不逊色于任何一对,包括GP,BK之所以一直不断的被其他选手超过,是因为他们的进步幅度比较小,别人在大踏步的前进和成熟,而他们的难度一直是劣势,高水平的表演把他们一直留在了世界前三的行列。另外,他们的表演风格比较单一,虽然都很适合他们。他们其实是有能力尝试更难更深层次的音乐,不过都没有,Adagio可能是BK所有的节目中最深的一个。BK的很多创编,很多舞蹈类型的感觉还是很出色的,但是这对选手一直执著于一种风格,包括02年的杰克逊,又是和FPM同一类型的选曲,难度的劣势几乎已经使他们丧失了争夺奖牌的可能,虽然他们是半个东道主。
BK一直是我很喜欢的选手,尤其是女伴,表演非常有激情,非常出色。不过比赛是残酷的,实力是最重要的。

fjn219 发表于 2007-5-26 03:05:25

回复 #3 frenchrabbit 的帖子

当初97年我和老妈一块儿看worlds的冰舞FD的时候,老妈就觉得看过了K/O的假面舞会和G/P的
The feeling begins之后再看B/K的节目,会觉得他们的表现有些浅,深度上有待提高......

另外,当时老妈很挺K/O的,她觉得K/O的节目更古典,更优雅,而G/P的有些“邪”......
所以使得我至今对一向优雅的krylova在98年oly上FD的妖艳打扮还不能接受.....

柯钦 发表于 2007-5-26 11:45:29

跟LS不同的是K/O最吸引我的节目还是98年的卡门,我觉得妖艳的打扮非常适合K的气质,她激情四射的表演更是让人陶醉!可惜他们退役的太早了!
跑题了....
再说B/K就对他们的两套节目印象比较深,一个是大河之舞一个是杰克逊组曲的那套,他们这对我觉得女伴的光芒太强了,男伴显的太渺小,而且他们的线条相比起另外几对TOP选手还是要差很多!~

xueyinghu2002 发表于 2007-5-26 11:51:51

在我心中 k/o也是仅次于g/p选手 甚至超过a/p 虽然没有如果 但想想这么优秀选手 没拿奥运冠军还是很可惜的

xueyinghu2002 发表于 2007-5-26 11:54:51

就说卡门吧 n/k技术确实不错 但表演有点肤浅 有点游离在音乐之外 刻意营造一种氛围 也许是k/o的表演确实太深入人心了

antony1986jl 发表于 2007-5-26 13:36:11

我很喜欢他们的表演……可是很遗憾他们总是没有能拿到冬奥会的奖牌……
虽然他们的难度不高,但是节目很赏心悦目……不过,相对于女伴,男伴太不闪耀了。有种不均衡的感觉……

Penny 发表于 2007-5-26 16:09:17

我对K/O和B/K的喜爱甚至超过了G/P ,因为不是很喜欢G。BK的难度的确进步太小,但表现力是很强的。最喜欢他们的sometimes when we touch,难得看到他们慢板抒情风格。可惜啊奥运会没拿过奖牌,好在03年终于拿到世界冠军。

想见怀恋_100 发表于 2007-5-26 22:41:16

L/A03年输给B/K一定很郁闷,按照02-03赛季当时的打分制度,电脑选取匿名裁判稍微有调整,就该轮到他们卫冕了。

好象是说B/K的Adagio那个赛季发挥最出色是在4CC上,World前半段滑得紧了,速度也不是很理想。

另外,B/K98年OLY对G/P的自由舞评价还真是......啧啧

franzlfan 发表于 2007-5-27 00:38:42

原帖由 想见怀恋_100 于 2007-5-26 22:41 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/default/back.gif
另外,B/K98年OLY对G/P的自由舞评价还真是......啧啧

啊,很好奇他们说G/P什么了?可能不太好吧?感觉北美和俄罗斯有时候是有点互相不认同……

BUSYYLIIVING 发表于 2007-5-27 01:47:35

原帖由 franzlfan 于 2007-5-27 00:38 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/default/back.gif


啊,很好奇他们说G/P什么了?可能不太好吧?感觉北美和俄罗斯有时候是有点互相不认同……

大概内容是,BK说GP的FD,是冰舞的一种倒退。G说BK'Riverdance的舞步,她很快就能学会(具体需要多少时间记不清了,总归是所需时间很短的)。最主要的还是CD Golden Waltz的争论。CBS还特意制作了个SIDE BY SIDE的comparison。汗,个人感觉当时杜老太起了很大的作用

frenchrabbit 发表于 2007-5-27 02:46:55

BK的华尔兹舞蹈感觉非常好,我个人也非常喜欢BK的华尔兹舞,膝盖用的非常出色,女伴对华尔兹的诠释,非常出色。
但是从整体上来说,BK对节拍的控制能力比GP要差一些,两个人在握法中的位置,以及浮腿的控制,BK都要逊色于GP不少。虽然说GP在后半段有一处失误,但是并不影响整体的结果,即使在新规则下比赛也是一样,GP肯定会比BK分数高。

yueguang 发表于 2007-5-27 16:27:45

B/K01年的FD MARCH WITH ME也是非常经典的一个节目,很可惜,滑得那么好还是输给了L/A....

alexes 发表于 2007-5-27 17:53:20

关于B/K奥运会后对G/P 的FD节目评论华盛顿邮报有篇报道,因为原来的连接没有存,我就把原文贴在下面,杜老太的评论也很有意思


Grishuk, Platov Repeat as Olympic Champions

By Amy Shipley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 17, 1998; Page C6



   
Russians Pasha Grishuk and Yevgeny Platov won the gold medal after their free dance program Monday. (Doug Mills/AP)


NAGANO, Feb. 16 — Russians Pasha Grishuk and Evgeny Platov tacked a second straight Olympic gold ice dancing medal onto a string of four world championship victories at White Ring ice rink tonight. They have not lost a competition since before the 1994 Olympics, but they endured a season marred by three falls by Platov in three separate competitions — all of which they won, anyway.
Tonight's results, though not surprising, could make this Olympic dance event best known for the questions it generated.

Will the gold medalists Grishuk and Platov be remembered as one of the best dance teams in history or the pair that stumbled repeatedly in competitions leading up to this Olympic gold? Will the fourth-place team, Canada's Shae-Lynn Bourne and Victor Kraatz, be remembered for whining for getting cheated? Will the silver medalists, Russians Anjelika Krylova and Oleg Ovsyannikov, or the bronze medalists, France's Marina Anissina and Gwendal Peizerat, be remembered at all?

In Friday night's waltz, Grishuk misstepped in front of the judges, yet she and Platov still received the night's best marks from a nine-judge panel that included five from former Eastern Bloc nations. On Sunday the International Skating Union announced that dance judges were advised during these Olympics to adhere to stricter guidelines with regard to falls during the original and free dances.

But in ice dancing, there is an unspoken tradition of allowing more mistakes by the current champion — evidenced by the Platov's and Grishuk's victories this season despite their falls. They went into tonight's competition in first place and there they remained.

Other than a stumble by Grishuk in one of the compulsories, Grishuk and Platov made no major mistakes. Grishuk said she and her partner felt immense pressure not to repeat the errors made previously, and that was why she began sobbing at the conclusion of the free dance tonight. The pair's success in these Games, however, failed to direct the focus from earlier in the season, even as they doubled the number of Olympic gold medals won by the most famous dance team in history, Great Britain's Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean. Torvill and Dean won only the 1984 Olympic gold.


"All of us remember how Torvill and Dean improved our sport," said Natalia Dubova, the coach of the fourth-place Canadian team. "I always ask myself what Grishuk and Platov do for me. They don't bring the sport up."

The Canadians, Bourne and Kraatz, leave here with nothing to show for their performance, other than the satisfaction of tonight's crowd-pleasing "Riverdance" program, which lead Riverdance dancer Colin Dunn helped develop. They finished third in the free dance, but it wasn't enough to lift them out of fourth overall.

Calling themselves advocates of reform for judging in ice dancing, Bourne and Kraatz have explained in detail in recent days how thoroughly they have been mistreated by the Olympic judging panel.

"I don't feel awful at all," Bourne said. "In fact, I feel like laughing. It's more of a joke than anything. You just look at it, laugh at it, and get past it. We skated so well, it's stupid, isn't it?"

Said Kraatz: "I really think it's sad that we have to be the only spokespersons for this. There are tons of other skaters that the same thing is happening to. ... They're just too chicken to speak up."

Krylova and Ovsyannikov — the silver medalists — weren't too chicken to speak up. Their choreography to "Carmen" was modern and innovative and, like "Riverdance," well received tonight.

"All I can say is, the public likes us better" than Grishuk and Platov, Krylova said. "I think we had a better program overall."

Grishuk and Platov seemed uninterested in the contentiousness. They were simply relieved to have skated to their own standards.

"It was extremely difficult for us to perform at this Olympics," Grishuk said.

"There was a lot of stress and a lot of pressure, not from the competition, but a lot of pressure from us. We knew we had a couple of falls earlier in the season just because our program is so difficult. ... We were very proud we could handle it. We were very strong."

And, as expected, they remained Olympic champions.

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