扶风
发表于 2008-6-14 00:22:07
原帖由 fs2046 于 2008-6-13 11:10 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
某f童鞋的东欧海选篇大概还在文火慢炖ing,先发个K/N的采访给预热+打气,不要半途而废呀。加油加油。
Khokhlova/Novitski向自己偷师,自由舞内容誓不外泄
采访原文请见:http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22323,以下是部分内容的翻译
世锦赛后Jana和Sergei的生活变得异常繁忙,有成堆的采访和社会活动,但并为就此搁置训练。他们说上赛季被批评最多的是两人缺乏交流,这是他们今年着重改进的地方。
目前他们刚刚完成了自由舞的编排,Jana说最大的感觉是这个节目难度非常大。音乐是她提出来的,在编排过程中他们参考了大量资料,最有挑战性的是如何利用非常有限的动作元素组合出具有视觉冲击力和令人兴奋的托举。但最后他们还是从自己的节目里‘偷师’(we’re stealing from ourselves),因为他们的托举已经成了其他选手竞相模仿的样本。
但他们拒绝透露节目的任何细节,因为在花滑界隔墙有耳。他们会很小心的保守这个秘密,直到新赛季节目揭盅的那一天。
在问到对自己俄罗斯老二的地位有何想法,Jana说她不认为这是个打击或悲剧,因为身在体育界,就要面对任何输赢结果。本届世锦赛证明了万事皆有可能。就像美国队(B/A)为金牌而来,却空手而归。
难道他们今年的自由舞风格是非常soft AND loving
不会真是中国舞吧……ORZ~~
还有jana的性子真是……相当直率啊。。
某F,你不会弃坑吧~~同LS,加把火继续补气
pooool
发表于 2008-6-14 03:07:54
报道没说KN的新FD会滑SOFT和LOVE的东西啊,只是说音乐是JANA提的,估计还是节奏强的吧,然后托举还是参考了上季的节目。难度大我猜可能还是说托举的部分,衔接步法什么的如果能再好点当然好,交流嘛,其实指望不大的说
说来说去,除了米老头那段比较新鲜外,其他人其实都在打马虎眼和烟雾弹。
飞天神猪
发表于 2008-6-14 11:20:48
冰舞双人滑换搭档原来我总认为是苏联才多的,想不到法国,美洲都很常见。
从Youtube来看,著名的G/P也是换搭档不断换出来的。
格里丘克至少是普拉托夫的第三个女伴。
普拉托夫夺得青少年冰舞冠军的时候是一个。
89年世锦赛跟另一个夺得了世锦赛第6名。
格里丘克跟原来的舞伴也是两次青少年冰舞的冠军。
可以说,两个人跟原来的舞伴搭配得都不错,但面对苏联的行政命令,教练也不得不服从(林妮丘克不得不放手格里丘克给杜波娃),小孩子们更不可能抵抗。
当然,苏联花样滑冰高层的眼光是很正确的,最经典的冰舞搭档就此诞生。
PS:我不认为Korylova在训练场上会是个温柔的女人,看看卡门就知道了,有些片段真是目露凶光。
其实就连人很和蔼的陈露,在教课的时候,也比较严厉,也会板脸给小孩子们看。
franzlfan
发表于 2008-6-14 23:28:16
回飞天神猪:苏联以前和现在都换的多,只不过现在练这个的人比以前少了,而换的比例没怎么变,所有换的总数也不那么多了,法/美/加那边是基数大,乘出来的人也多。
回扶风:放心吧我不会弃坑的,只是前一个星期长途跋涉的后遗症这几天比较明显(极度疲劳~),而老板那边又催得很紧,不得不周末赶工,所以……我肯定会写下去的啦,放心~~
另外K/N还是滑过love题材的啦,06~07的阿兰胡子就是嘛(起首段和结束段都是),但是并不怎么叫好叫座,这种题材还是留给V/M好了,呵呵~
romechristian
发表于 2008-6-15 21:43:37
其实我不太能接受KN滑比较舒缓的曲目,可能还是K小姐太过于给人强势之感了吧!强烈要求OLEG大叔参与东欧的评审工作,既然K阿姨不参加了,还是比较希望看到KO的,哪怕只有一半啊!BTW,O大叔最近曝光率好低
kimnara714
发表于 2008-6-15 22:41:25
受上一个FD影响,还是觉得演华丽丽的妖孽最适合KN了,连OD都很妖孽的感觉,一身艳装加上Jana深深的下腰,我就看得流哈喇子了~~~居然现在改滑纯情LOVE ……
olychamp
发表于 2008-6-18 01:34:01
KN最不可能滑的就是Love主题,另类/彪悍/诡异类型挺适合他们。我倒是更关心1)他们能否今年超越DS坐上老大的位子,2)谁会成为俄第三冰舞。
今年大奖赛VM的签太容易了,DS(法),DS(俄),BA,KN基本也稳进。剩下那个最有悬念,FS,CL,CJ,PB,DW希望都挺大,DW的签不错,SC拿银,NHK银或铜应该是比较现实的目标吧。
昀灿
发表于 2008-6-18 19:03:28
fsu上也在讨论俄国三号冰舞选手会是哪一对,提到的有Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV,Ekaterina RUBLEVA / Ivan SHEFER,Maria MONKO / Ilia TKACHENKO(今年世青赛第四,去年青少年总决赛冠军),Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV(今年世青赛季军),Natalia MIKHAILOVA / Arkadi SERGEEV(06年世青赛亚军),Anastasia PLATONOVA / Alexander GRACHEV(今年全俄第四)等。fsu上普遍看好的是Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV和Maria MONKO / Ilia TKACHENKO
仅就我看过的节目来说,我也比较喜欢B & S和MONKO / TKACHENKO这两队的节目的感觉。MONKO / TKACHENKO是DS(俄)的教练带,女伴好像有些偏弱,不过我还是喜欢他们上赛季自由舞Waltz of the Spirits :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9zMHg-LRg
KN挺擅长驾驭dramatic风格的,不过到了现在这个位置,也许希望在风格上突破一下;如果真的滑Love主题,与魔幻主题也不一定矛盾,例如女巫与妖王的爱情
KN能否超越DS(俄),除了他们的进步,恐怕还要看到时候DS(俄)的状态怎样。不知道现在Shabalin恢复得怎样了,现在网上也没找到DS(俄)的新消息……
昀灿
发表于 2008-6-22 16:33:12
近期icenetwork有两篇分别德国和俄罗斯冰坛近况的报道,这里引一下其中的冰舞部分:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/a ... 48604&vkey=ice_news
Ice dancing is the strongest discipline for Russia right now, with two top teams that will challenge for the world podium again in 2009. Khokhlova and Novitski are already busy getting ready.
"We had one week off after worlds, but then we trained until June," Khokhlova said. At the same time, she wrote her thesis on "Partnerships in ice dancing" for her diploma.
"The new free dance is almost done, except for the last 20 seconds," revealed coach Alexander Svinin, but what he didn't reveal was the music choice. He and his wife and co-coach Irina Zhuk also prepared world competitors Ekaterina Rubleva and Ivan Shefer, as well as a couple of promising junior teams for next season.
KN在世锦赛后休息了一星期,但之后直到六月一直在训练。同时Khokhlova撰写了裁判资格论文《冰舞中的搭档关系》。他们的自由舞已经几乎编好,除了最后20秒。他们的教练也在为RS和一些青少年选手作下赛季的准备。
European champions Oksana Domnina and Maxim Shabalin, on the other hand, started their preparations in June. Shabalin, whose ongoing knee problems forced the couple to withdraw from the world championships, spent all of May and the first week of June in a sports clinic in Munich, Germany, for treatment on his knee. The couple then was scheduled to start practice in mid-June in Novogorsk, a sports base in a suburb of Moscow.
While Shabalin was in Germany, Domnina trained on her own. "Of course, I worry about Maxim, but he says he is doing fine and recovering well," the skater said. Coach Alexei Gorshkov and choreographer Sergei Petukhov used the time to put together new programs for Maria Monko and Ilia Tkachenko, last season's gold medalists at the Junior Grand Prix Final, who will compete as seniors in the upcoming season.
DS(俄)即将开始为下赛季作准备。Shabalin整个五月和六月的第一周一直在德国治疗膝伤,Domnina独自训练,他们的教练和编排为即将转入成年组的Monko / Tkachenko准备新节目。
(大家大概已经知道了DS(俄)换教练的消息。这也意味着,DS(俄)将同BA一起在Linichuk 和她的丈夫Gennadi Karponosov那里训练。http://web.icenetwork.com/news/a ... 48812&vkey=ice_news
Shabalin证实了这个消息,但是没有解释换教练的原因。他们准备下周就去特拉华州。)
Elena Kustarova and Svetlana Alexeeva enjoyed some vacation in May, but they've been back on the ice with their students since June 2. This group includes 2007 world junior champions Ekaterina Bobrova and Dmitri Soloviev, and world competitors Nelli Zhiganshina and Alexander Gazsi from Germany.
B / S以及德国选手Zhiganshina / Gazsi所在的训练组6月2日结束休假,开始训练。
There were some changes in Alexander Zhulin's group. Armenian ice dancers Anastasia Grebenkina and Vazgen Azroyan retired from competitive skating, and Azrojan started coaching. The dance team of Natalia Mikhailova and Andrei Maksimishin split up, and she teamed up with former partner Arkadi Sergeev. Mikhailova and Sergeev won the silver medal at the 2006 World Junior Championships. Two-time world ice dancing champions Albena Denkova and Maxim Staviski of Bulgaria and Olympic pair champions Tatiana Totmianina and Maxim Marinin were also on Zhulin's ice during breaks in their respective exhibition tours. The Bulgarian ice dancers helped Zhulin's younger skaters and also choreographed for the "Imperial Stars on Ice," which was rehearsing in Moscow from the end of May to the end of June.
亚美尼亚G / A退役,男伴开始执教。Mikhailova / Sergeev重新组合后由Zhulin执教。Denkova /Staviski 和TM在巡演间隙也在Zhulin的冰场上冰,DS(保)也在帮助知道年轻选手,并参与Imperial Stars on Ice编排。
Reigning world junior bronze medalists Kristina Gorshkova and Vitali Butikov are training in Elena Tchaikovskaia's school in the "Olimpiiski" ice rink. They wanted to work on their new programs after their vacation, with their off-ice training starting in June as well.
Gorshkova / Butikov准备在假期结束后六月开始陆上联系,准备新节目。
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/a ... 48780&vkey=ice_news
German dance champions Christina and William Beier, who could not compete at '08 worlds due to his foot injury, split in May. The siblings decided they could better develop with different partners. Christina now skates with Tim Giesen; the team trains in Berlin and is coached by Rene Lohse, who won the 2004 world bronze with partner Kati Winkler. William is looking worldwide for a new partner.
德国Beier兄妹为了更好的发展拆档后,女伴Christina与Tim Giesen搭档,由04年冰舞季军成员Rene Lohse执教;男伴William仍在寻找搭档。
Nelli Zhiganshina and Alexander Gazsi, runners-up at German nationals and 20th at the '08 worlds, paused in April and May because Gazsi had to work for the German army and the Russian-born Zhiganshina could not get a visa for Germany. In June, Gazsi returned to Moscow, where the couple trains all year. They are preparing to compete at the Nebelhorn Trophy. They did not get a Grand Prix event but hope to qualify for a substitute spot.
Zhiganshina / Gazsi由于男伴要为德国军队工作,而俄罗斯裔女伴无法得到德国签证,在四五月份停训了一段时间。现在男伴已回到他们全年训练地莫斯科,准备参加the Nebelhorn Trophy。他们目前没有获得大奖赛名额,但希望能成为替补。
The brother-and-sister team of Carolina and Daniel Hermann, third at nationals, have been training in Vancouver since May with former world champion Victor Kraatz and his wife, Maikki Uotila-Kraatz. In August they will return to their hometown of Dortmund.
Hermann兄妹从五月起一直在温哥华由Victor Kraatz及他的妻子执教,他们将在8月回到家乡多特蒙德。
American-born Ashley Foy and Benjamin Blum, 13th at junior worlds this year, will move up to seniors this coming season
今年世青赛第十三名Foy / Blum将转入成年组。
Jun
发表于 2008-6-22 21:09:32
谢谢消息。
嗯,小小疑问:文章里只说Jana 写了论文,没说是什么论文,会不会是大学论文?考裁判资格应该不需要论文的吧?
夏生
发表于 2008-6-22 21:28:23
刚仔细对比了一下各站的参赛名单,有实力能登上领奖台的其实也就去年的前八名~~
SA D/S(法) 》B/A》K/K
不出意外,首站的名次应该就如上了~~
B/A今年要是再不浴火重生的话,10年就彻底没戏了。。
SCV/M》P/B》D/W
相较于其他一线,V/M今年是最有可能锁定两站冠军的人选~~对手确实是弱了些
也该转型了吧,他们~~呵呵
个人还是不太看好D/W的初战,他们一般都是后程发力的多……
而且去年分站赛也已经有P/B超过他们的先例了,这两对的差距其实只在毫厘~~
去年世锦赛上也就是最后FD才拉开了些须分数,而那时D/W也只是超出1分多点而已。。
COC冬菇 》BA 》KN
不出大的离谱的失误~~额
冬菇,又见冬菇……
冬菇组能把去年的遗憾都在今年全部填满吗?我看够呛~~大家都已经升上来了
但俺还是很看好他们。毕竟是好不容易才捧起来的,对某冰鞋来说,双保险其实是更好的选择嘛~~反正脸皮够厚
对K/N还是抱有很大的希冀,期待他们能够延续FD的刹那惊艳……嗷嗷
TEBDS(法) 》 FS 》K/K
K/K也真是的,跟D/S(法)这么投缘啊~~两站都遇上了
期待姐弟俩能沿着去年的不羁小路坚走下去,就爱那骨子桀骜不驯的美丽……
F/S在去年的最后一战中嗖声崛起,也算是不可小觑的对手~~虽然离奖牌基本绝缘
指望他们出套好看的节目还真是有点难度呢,偶要求不高,能跟去年持平就OK鸟~~千万表雷,更表上女托男
COR冬菇 》 K/N 》 D/W
这站名次也基本定了~~
虽然俺是万分希望某一对能掀翻冬菇,可是某冰鞋MS有托梦警告偶:
做梦去吧~~那是不可能滴。。。
对D/W也有点小纠结,一方面希望他们继续纯美下去,可同时又希望他们能够出品一套风格迥异的FD~~
毕竟还是跟V/M不同路数啊,而彼得潘们也都该长大了……
NHK V/M 》 F/S 》 P/B
最后一站预测排名如上~~其实是99.9%的可能
曾经被某大牛赞誉为西欧唯一一对能够延续Del/Sch火炬的P/B今年会拿出一套虾米出来捏
俺们就拭目以待吧,这两只自打上位以来从未让人失望过!!
还是希望他们能够滑到2014年的春天,D/S(法)退役以后,相信他们铁定能够杀上一线行列。。
最后的最后,虽然D/S(法)去年拿的冠军奖其中滴安慰成分更大,但是相信今年已经全无后顾之忧的他们,会拿出一套符合他们自身风格的FD出来,去年算是特殊情况,今年也该让俺们解解搀了,New Style才是最重要的!
扶风
发表于 2008-6-22 21:48:14
原帖由 Jun 于 2008-6-22 21:09 发表 http://www.chinaice.org/images/common/back.gif
谢谢消息。
嗯,小小疑问:文章里只说Jana 写了论文,没说是什么论文,会不会是大学论文?考裁判资格应该不需要论文的吧?
我刚查看了一下前面80页DANA翻译的关于K/N的文章,MS是写关于教练证书的论文
还有冬菇是下定狠心要跟B/A死磕到底啊,连选教练都撞到一起了ORZ ......
PS:综上,今年大奖赛总决赛的最后入围名单就是下面6对了:
V/M(两站冠军~~) D/S(法)(至少是一金一银~~) 冬菇组(同D/S法~~)
B/A(至少两银~~) K/N(至少一银一铜~~) F/S(同K/N~~)
其实理论上来讲F/S的签位比K/N的更好,基本上已经锁定两银了~~NHK那站P/B离他们还有不小的差距...
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其他3对P/B D/W和K/K理论上也存在进总决赛的可能性~~不过仅仅只是理论上
就拿其中能拿最好名次的P/B或者D/W来说吧(他们的最好名次也就一银一铜~~),跟K/N和F/S刚好一样~~
可是这样就要比较各对选手分站赛拿到的SB了,明显会是K/N和F/S更胜一筹,目前P/B和D/W跟K/N他们还不是一个级别上的~~
也许要等到法美两国的现列一线全都退下了,P/B和D/W才能真正地笑傲冰场......Hope
Jun
发表于 2008-6-22 22:19:37
啊啊,自己事业还在上升时期就考到教练资格了,Jana 的确不是普通人哦。
节目都是新的,编排很重要,排名不一定会跟上赛季一样。Domnina/Shabalin 可能是想接触更加先进的吃透规则的专家,而俄国现在看上去没有什么强编舞或强教练。也可能是Delaware 大学的训练场地条件比较好。
loooop
发表于 2008-6-23 01:24:18
还是看编排和选曲吧,希望大家都能有些变化
平常心
发表于 2008-6-23 01:33:01
德国的Zhiganshina / Gazsi没法参加GP,可惜~想想以前的B/A~