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gtxys 发表于 2003-12-26 12:42:00 | 显示全部楼层
我想Cohen换教练应该有一定原因,毕竟她不是小孩子了!
而且从综合考虑,她换一个教练,会学到一些不同的东西,不可否认Tarasova是一个优秀的教练,但是再高段的教练也不可能是全能的,她不一定适合每一个选手的每一个阶段!也许,Sasha觉得现在老太太的教育方式,不适合她未来一段时间的发展!
其实,这不存在谁炒谁的问题!合适就在一起,不合适就分开,而且谁也不确定这种分开是暂时的还是永久的!兴许过了这个阶段,两个人还会在一起合作也不一定呢!
总之,Cohen要加油!她的成长与Tatiana的教育是分不开的,如果她在未来能成功,我想老太太也会觉得光荣并且为她高兴!毕竟没有一个学生从小学到大学是一个老师的!
dy 发表于 2003-12-26 21:28:00 | 显示全部楼层
美花滑名将科恩换教练
2003年12月26日09:25  中国体育报   

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    本报讯  美国著名选手、女子单人滑世界冠军萨莎·科恩24日宣布,她将请罗宾·瓦格纳担任自己的教练,以便进一步提高竞技水平,为在下一届都灵冬奥会上夺得金牌做准备。
    此前,科恩的教练是俄罗斯著名教练塔拉索娃,她培养出过数位冬奥会冠军与世锦赛冠军。目前,在美国执教的俄罗斯教练有数十人,而执教高水平选手的则是极少数。塔拉索娃与科恩解约的主要原因是,近一两年来她随同科恩频繁地到世界各地参赛,身体已经吃不消,因此她希望科恩另请高明。她还表示,将回到俄罗斯去执教。
    科恩对记者说,她很感谢塔拉索娃给予的帮助和指导,使她在花样滑的表现力及技巧上有了提高。
    新教练瓦格纳则表示,除了关颖姗之外,科恩是美国乃至世界最好的女单选手之一,这项工作对她是个挑战。但她相信自己有能力当好科恩的教练,并保证她会有新的起色。 (刘  斌)



唐卡洛 发表于 2003-12-27 17:36:00 | 显示全部楼层
真是让我摸不到头脑!
罗宾根本没法和人家比。但我想SASHA做事肯定是有针对性的
还有我认为TARASOVA并没针对SASHA做出本质性的调整
 楼主| alexes 发表于 2003-12-28 13:03:00 | 显示全部楼层
转载自http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9823&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
[B]"Not Our Sasha"/Article by E. Vyiatzehovskaya [/B]
Tinami Amori翻译自http://www.sport-express.ru/art.shtml?79539
Tarasova parted with Sasha Cohen. The very second this information hit the official USFSA site, all internet forums were filled with speculations. The general tone of comments was: how could an athlete, who made such quantum leap under the supervision of Tarasova in less than two years, leave her coach two weeks before the US Nationals? And she goes where? To the coach of Sarah Hughes, whos obvious under rotated jumps became the talk of SLC Olympics.
It seems like nothing indicated a remote possibility of a break up. Cohen truly shined, and no other word can describe it, during the three GP events, which led many to rightfully predict: here she is, the 8th Olympic Gold Medalist of Tatiana Tarasova the Trainer. Not many thought of Turin games in terms of being 2 years away and hundreds of practices apart.
To be perfectly honest, Tarasova most likely agreed to work with this American skater, after the Worlds 2002 in Nagano, exactly because she saw the potentials of the 揙lympic medalist material?in her. (Once she got her) The process of elimination of Sasha抯 搘eak points?started immediately, from the beginning, where it should start. The whole pre-season practice was devoted to the 損hysical fitness?preparation, and for that purposes the best specialist, who is well known even back in USSR, was invited to come to America.
The results were obvious. Even the biggest skeptics could not deny: Cohen in 2002 and Cohen today are as different as 揹ay and night?
Tatiana was never a great specialist in jumping techniques, but all coaches around them uniformly agreed: if Sasha抯 jumping problem becomes drastic, her coach will immediately seek a professional to fix them in the shortest period of time.
But the problem came up in a different area. Even as early as the beginning of the competition season, when nothing suggested a possibility of malfunction of such winning mechanism, Tarasova mentioned that she never expected how difficult it would be to work with a student whos way of thinking (mentality) would be so different from a Russian student.
First indication of a problem arose just before the Pro-Am event, a rather secondary even from the stand point of the ranks of amateur competitions. Prior to the event Cohen became ill. Tatiana抯 recommendation to skip the competition was met with great opposition from Sasha抯 mother Galina, who for one single moment off the ice does not let Sasha out of her site. It was Galina who insisted that Sasha keeps her commitment to USFSA抯 event.
The results we all know. Cohen skated in Detroit with high temperature, and not just lost, she completely bombed.
During the Grand Prix Finals in Colorado, it was quite obvious that Tarasova is not holding any high hopes or faulty expectations about the possible results. Her pupil has not regained her form and lost for the second time during this season.
The opinion is, that it is exactly at this moment when the difference in mentality came head to head. We all know how quickly the American media can elevate a skater to high heavens, and it is not hard to imagine how high Galina felt the whole season. And what a blow it must have been for her to think about what will happen now when her daughter had two losses in a row.
Most likely, she (Galina), was searching for an explanation. Very probable, that exactly at that moment, the words of 搘ell-wishers?kept hinting that 揟arasova is not God?who can teach Sasha not to fall, and fell on fruitful grounds.
Tarasova, who抯 philosophy for many years was 揳ll must be sacrificed for the greater goal, especially all secondary? truly could not understand how could months and months of hard work be so advertently dumped into the grave by participating in a useless competition, and by such insistent involvement in the decision making process from a person who is very far from professional process of
figuresk8er 发表于 2003-12-28 17:00:00 | 显示全部楼层
在美国教练与运动员的关系更象是雇员与老板的关系,而且家长经常介入。在俄罗斯教练都很受尊重,而且家长和运动员也都采纳他们的意见、建议,不会提出什么异议,因为他们知道教练比他们有经验得多。至于两种做法的好与坏,我想是仁者见仁智者见智,更多的只是一种理念,Katia在My Sergei也提到Zhuk告诉他们在冰场上无论什么时候都要听教练的话。Tarasova毕竟是俄罗斯人,还是更适用于俄罗斯的模式,她不是提到回俄罗斯后,不会再当专职教练,而且不会收“外国弟子”吗?
希望她能早日康复。也希望Sasha能找到适合她的教练,不要可惜了她的天赋。
冰上飞 发表于 2003-12-28 17:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用gtxys在2003-12-27 21:55:59的发言:

说的好像很了解她,Sasha什么性格阿?



她什么性格应该可以从她平时的作为看到吧!
就象是一个性格内向的人,她的性格在她的行为上肯定会有所折射的。
你看她表演时的表情,一看就是一个急性子的小女孩子!而且肯定爱出风头!
我以前听说,她比完赛以后,如果比的好,一下场就会满场的问:“摄像机在哪?”
这种表现不证明她是外向型性格的人,还能证明什么!
了解一个人一定要和她挨的很近吗?有时候往往挨的越近的人越不清楚这个人的性格,因为的习惯性动作已经在这个人眼里变成习惯了。
这么普通的行为心理学,学法律的gtxys怎么能不知道呢?
gtxys 发表于 2003-12-28 18:39:00 | 显示全部楼层
“你以前听说”——我还以为你亲眼见到呢!哈哈
外向和爱出风头怎么可以相提并论,那关是外向呢还是爱出风头呢?
我看冰上飞是爱出风头的!呵呵……
sasha应该是那种活泼的女孩,如果太内向,缺乏表演欲,怎么可以成为一名优秀的花样滑冰运动员!
 楼主| alexes 发表于 2003-12-28 18:45:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用figuresk8er在2003-12-28 17:00:26的发言:
在美国教练与运动员的关系更象是雇员与老板的关系,而且家长经常介入。在俄罗斯教练都很受尊重,而且家长和运动员也都采纳他们的意见、建议,不会提出什么异议,因为他们知道教练比他们有经验得多。至于两种做法的好与坏,我想是仁者见仁智者见智,更多的只是一种理念,Katia在My Sergei也提到Zhuk告诉他们在冰场上无论什么时候都要听教练的话。Tarasova毕竟是俄罗斯人,还是更适用于俄罗斯的模式,她不是提到回俄罗斯后,不会再当专职教练,而且不会收“外国弟子”吗?
希望她能早日康复。也希望Sasha能找到适合她的教练,不要可惜了她的天赋。

老太太带的奥运会和世锦赛冠军中,除了FP/M,其他还是前苏联和俄罗斯选手。即使是FP/M也不是完全由老太太负责日常的训练,而且FP/M也一直接受俄罗斯教练的指导。包括B/K,他们以前是在Dubova门下,在Tarasova门下的时候,日常训练也主要由Morozov负责。她主要也是在98年以后带过国外选手,而且她带的国外选手或多或少都有些俄罗斯的背景。Tarasova毕竟是老一代的教练,方法上国外选手不一定能完全接受。
Jonny Weir在接受采访的时候,谈到做节目编排时,开始他有些不喜欢老太太选的音乐,但后来尝试以后,越来越喜欢。但很多时候师徒关系上,欧美选手不一定习惯俄罗斯式的师徒关系。他们一般都会与教练签工作合同。
老太太年纪大了,身体确实也不允许她带太多的学生了。
不过如果她真的决定以后回俄罗斯的话,那助理教练怎么办?



[此贴子已经被作者于2003-12-28 19:02:54编辑过]

Suzanne 发表于 2003-12-28 21:40:00 | 显示全部楼层
回俄罗斯?不太可能吧?在美国的条件要比俄罗斯好的多,老太太怎么会想起回俄罗斯了?
如果她真的回去,她会征求助理教练的意见,看他们是不是能够随他一起回去发展。如果不能,那也只能放弃合作了。
orange 发表于 2004-1-3 15:19:00 | 显示全部楼层
真想不到科恩这么快又换教练了。想不到啊。全美比赛临近了,希望她能稳定的表现吧!
塔拉索娃的身体不好应该是对外的借口吧。真正分开的原我们恐怕是不可能知道了。
 楼主| alexes 发表于 2004-1-3 18:05:00 | 显示全部楼层
根据目前的消息,老太太身体已经好多了,她将在12日俄罗斯全国比赛结束后回美国。
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