终于将这个大部头翻译好了，看着还能赶上4月2号，在这里说一声瓢虫生日快乐。希望他和他的团队今后一切顺利。
这是AS的官网上Runt对瓢虫背后的三人团队做的一个系列采访，原文早在去年就帖出了，一直想把它翻译过来，终于在前段时间下定决心在今天翻完，作为瓢虫同学25岁的生日礼物（好吧这个比去年的费事费时多啦）
原文在此：
http://www.absoluteskating.com/interviews/2009teamlambiel.html
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Team Lambiel
兰比尔的团队
By Reut Golinsky
Photos Silvia Ulenberg
记者：Reut Golinsky
摄影：Silvia Ulenberg
Team Lambiel is always there and always near him. More than only a coach or a choreographer, an agent or a physical trainer, they are his family. Maybe that's why this union lasts for so long. Things are not ideal, of course, and he left them a few times. The last time was a year ago when he went to train with Zmievskaya and Petrenko in the US. To tell you the truth, it was really hard for me to picture Stephane sitting in K&C with other people. Many things have happened since then. He retired and then he came back. He came back to this team and frankly, I'm glad I don't need to imagine other people with him in the corner of sadness and joy or anywhere else.
兰比尔的团队一直伴他左右。他们不仅是教练、编舞或者经纪人、体能指导，他们还是他的家人。或许这就是团队能够一直维系的原因。当然，世事并不会一帆风顺，这种合作关系也曾几经打断。一年之前他告别他们，奔赴美国，到Zmievskaya和Petrenko手下训练，这是他最后一次离开他的团队。说真的，在等分区座位上，我很难将Stephane和其他人联系在一起。之后有很多事情接连发生。他退役，然后又复出。他回到了他的团队身边，而我真切地为此感到高兴，因为我不用想象他和另外的人同坐在那个悲伤或快乐的角落，或是其他的任何地方。
 
Question to Stephane at the Nebelhorn Trophy press conference, after the free program:
Before your retirement you went to United States. You didn't go back there now. Can you tell why?
I'm [feeling] well in Switzerland. I'm happy where I am, and I'm happy with my team, and we're working very well together. So there is no question about moving or about changing anything right now. And what I've learned in United States helps me today, of course.
在Nebelhorn Trophy自由滑后的新闻发布会上，我向Stephane提了个问题：
退役之前你去了美国。现在你没有再回去。你能说明原因吗？
我在瑞士过得很好。很高兴能呆在这里，能和我的团队在一起，我们之间的合作非常棒。所以现在不会更换任何东西，不会再变动了。我在美国学到的东西眼下对我很有帮助，这是当然。
采访分为三个部分：
Peter Grutter: "To have such a pupil is like winning the lottery"
Peter Grutter:“有一个这样的学生，就像中了大奖”
Marc Lindegger: "We are glad he is back"
Marc Lindegger:“他回来，我们都很高兴”
Salome Brunner: "People he loves will always stay"
Salome Brunner:“他热爱的人不会离开”
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Peter Grutter: “To have such a pupil is like winning the lottery”
Peter Grutter:“有一个这样的学生，就像中了大奖”
By Reut Golinsky
Photos Silvia Ulenberg, Nadezhda Baranova, Reut Golinsky
Special thanks to Tatiana Geikhman for the help with the transcript.
记者：Reut Golinsky
摄影：Silvia Ulenberg, Nadezhda Baranova, Reut Golinsky
特别感谢Tatiana Geikhman帮忙写下采访稿。
Born in Bern, Peter Grütter represented Switzerland at international competitions in the 1950's and 60's. He ended his eligible career after participating in the 1964 Olympic Games in Innsbruck. He soon realized that his job in a bank wasn't fulfilling, so he became a figure skating coach the following year. After 10 years in Montana (Valais), he moved to Geneva in 1976 and has since worked with many skaters, teaching them what he learned from Jack Gerschwiler. He has been to every European Championships since 1981 with at least one of his students.
Peter Grütter出生于伯尔尼，他在上世纪50到60年代间代表瑞士参加一系列国际赛事，并在1964年因斯布鲁克奥运会之后结束了运动员生涯。但他很快发现银行中的职位并不能让自己心满意足，于是在第二年，他成了一名花样滑冰教练。他在蒙大拿（瓦莱州）度过了10年，接着在1976年搬到日内瓦。在那儿，他和许多滑冰运动员一同训练，把他从Jack Gerschwiler*那里学到的东西教给他们。从1981年以来，他一直出现在欧锦赛的赛场上，指导至少一名学生参加比赛。
*译注：Jack Gerschwiler（1898－2000）是瑞士著名的花样滑冰运动员，著有《滑冰的技术》一书。
In 1995, a little boy came up to him and asked him to be his coach. From small national competitions to major international events, Mr. Grütter has traveled around the world with Stéphane and has brought him to the heights we all know. (from the bio on stephanelambiel.ch)
到了1995年，有个男孩找到了他，请求他担任教练。从国内比赛到国际大赛，Grütter与Stéphane一同走过了世界各地，直至他获得了如今我们眼中的辉煌成绩。（来自官网的介绍）
After Stephane's practice for the long program, during Nebelhorn Trophy, Mr.Grutter found ten minutes to talk to me about his famous student and about the others, less famous as yet.
Nebelhorn Trophy期间，Grutter先生在Stephane长节目训练结束后抽出了10分钟，和我谈了谈他名扬天下的学生以及其他还不太出名的弟子。
First of all I’m really glad to see you here and it’s very exciting to see all the “team Lambiel” together again. My first question will be: were you really surprised when Stephane said that he wants to come back?
首先，很高兴我能在这里见到你，能见到兰比尔的团队再次合作，我非常激动。我第一个问题是：Stephane说他想复出的时候，你有没有觉得惊讶？
No, no, not surprised. I expected something like this because he did not stop the doping control, and he came to practice all the time. Officially he did it for the shows, but if you practice for shows, you do it differently, so I knew that one day [he’d be back]. He told me last year, when he came to Los Angeles (to 2009 Worlds Championship) to watch and I was there with Samuel, he said 'No, I’m not going to return', but the way he said it was not convincing. So I was not surprised when he called me. He thought I would be when he called. He said: “Do you sit down?” I said: “No, I’m standing, why?” He said: “Will you come with me to Oberstdorf?” I said: “Of course!”
不，没有，我没有觉得惊讶。我想过会出现类似的情况，因为他没有放弃药物控制，而且他一直参加训练。名义上他是为表演训练，但如果是这样，训练的方式会有所不同。所以我知道在某一天他会回来。去年他去洛杉矶看09年世锦赛，我陪同Samuel参赛，那时他对我说“我不会回来的”，但他的语气并不让人信服。所以，当他打来电话，我也不觉得惊讶。他觉得我会吃惊。他问我“你坐着吗？”我回答“没有，我站着，怎么？”他就说“你要不要跟我一起去Oberstdorf？”我说“当然可以！”
Regarding the question about his training schedule in general, it was written in the press-release that he will train two days in Geneva with you and the rest of the week on his own in Lausanne. Is this going to be the case?
关于他的训练计划有些疑问，在新闻发布会的稿子上写着他要在每周抽出两天去日内瓦跟你训练，其他时间在洛桑自己解决。是这样的吗？
No, he is more in Geneva because we have better facilities than Lausanne. I went to Lausanne with him because our Geneva rink was closed for renovation so we trained every day in Lausanne, and now the rink is open so he will come more often [to Geneva].
不，他在日内瓦呆的时间长些，因为在那儿我们拥有比洛桑更好的设施。我和他一起去洛桑是因为日内瓦的冰场停业翻新，所以那段时间我们每天在洛桑训练，现在冰场又开放了，他去［日内瓦］的次数就会多一些。
But it was not announced that Peter Grutter is going to be Stephane’s main coach or that he will train in Geneva.
可是新闻里没说Peter Grutter是Stphane的主教练，也没说他会去日内瓦训练。
The problem is I have a lot of other pupils, I cannot always go. And he does not need my presence every day, my correction; he can correct himself of course. Even when he was little he was very often alone because he did not live in Geneva, he was quite far away so… He’s an intelligent person and knows what to work on, sometimes he needs my presence, and this is it. But this collaboration has never stopped, even when he went to the United States. He always came back, we never had a split. We had one split before Worlds in Moscow for four months. I told him then: “If you need me, come back”. In that period I needed a break too and he was very, very decided himself. So I said: “Try to make it alone, if you cannot do it, I will be back”. But we never had fights. Sometimes we fight in the practice, of course, especially when he was at the age of 18-19, when they are in this change of personality. But now it’s OK.
原因出在我身上，我有很多学生，不能总是四处奔波。他也不是每天都需要我站在一边纠正，他能自己做到。甚至小时候他就经常独自一人，因为他的家很远，不在日内瓦...他是个聪明人，知道该做什么，有时候他需要我的陪伴，如此而已。我们在莫斯科世锦赛之前分开了四个月的时间。我那时告诉他，“如果你需要我就回来。”那段时间我需要喘口气，而他自己又非常非常有决心。所以我跟他说，“试一试自己训练，如果你做不了，我会回来。”我们从来没有斗过气。当然，有时我们在训练中吵，尤其是在他18、9岁的性格转变时期。而现在一切都很好。
You’re a very wise man, I think.
It’s maybe age.
我认为你非常明智。
也许是老聪明。
I don’t know Stephane personally, but from what I read about him, I had an impression that he has a very complicated personality…
我并不了解Stephane本人，但从我读到的关于他的事迹中，我得到了一种印象，他有着非常复杂的性格....
He has a great personality and, you know, this is what makes champions. I think, there is no easy champion - this does not exist. So you have to admit, you have to make it work properly, because if you have fights all the time, you work against the victory. So I tried to listen, and sometimes he tried to listen too, so we had that equation.
他的性格很好，你也知道这是成为冠军的先决条件。我认为没有轻易得来的冠军，这样的人并不存在。你必须承认凡事不能太出格，因为如果一直在斗气抵制，就会远离胜利。所以我试着聆听，有时他也努力听话，我们这样获得平衡。
We have sort of telepathy together. Sometimes I feel things and he says them out loud. He is like my son. When you are together for such a long time: he was eight when he came to me and now he is twenty four, this is a long period, with ups and downs of course. But it will never be a split, even if he goes to another coach - I would still be his biggest fan. Sometimes you’re a father and your child wants to go, and he will come back. We should never hold someone back when they want to go, because they will come back.
我们之间有种感应。有时候我觉察出的事他能说出来。他就好像我的孩子。我们相处的时间相当久：他8岁时就来到我这里，现在已经24岁了。这么长的时间里走的路自然有些曲折，但我们从未分道扬镳，即使他去找另一个教练，我仍然是他最坚定的支持者。有时就像当父亲的看到自己的孩子想飞出去，不过他会回来。当一个人想离开时，我们永远不会违背他的意愿，因为他们会回来的。
I think this is very special situation you have. Maybe this is why it makes me feel so good to see you all together again, because in a way it’s like a family reunion.
我觉得你遇上的情况十分特别。也许这就是我如此乐意看到你们又在一起的原因，就好像一家人又团圆了。
I know that many people like this team because of this. Of course he’s happy with the three of us - me, Salome and Majda - we get along very well. We can discuss things, you know, and it makes him feel good. Because Switzerland is a small country, if you do not have a lot of people behind you, you’re very alone out there. So every skater needs a team that helps, and sends out “waves”.
我知道很多人因此喜欢这个团队。他显然与我们三人相处愉快，我、Salome还有Majda，我们关系融洽。我们能一同讨论，而你知道这让他感觉良好。由于瑞士是个小国，如果你的身后没有很多人支持，就会显得很孤单。所以每个滑冰运动员都需要一个团队，帮助他鼓励他。
And your team is good at it. I think he achieved all he’s got thanks to you. Well, thanks to him too, of course…
你们团队很出色。我认为他的这一切成就都需要感谢你们。当然，也多亏他自己...
You know, he brings so much. If you have a pupil like him it’s like if you win in a lottery. This is a dream of every teacher to have somebody like this, one day, who really can do what you try to bring out. I think it’s great to have [such pupil].
你明白他带来了很多东西。如果能有一个像他这样的学生，就好像中了大奖。这是每个老师的梦想：有人真正能实现那些想法和表达。我觉得有这样的学生太棒了。
What do you think is his state right now? He said that he is at 70% of his best form.
你觉得他现在的状态如何？他说他有最佳状态的70％。
Maybe… There are days which are perfect, there are other days… But we started not a long time ago, because I was very busy in the summer, he was away with the shows then he had to have a break, a vacation, then new skates. It’s only for the last two or three weeks we are working on a regular basis. So if he can build up now, with not too many breaks, then I think we will be ready…
也许是的...有时候一切都很完美，有时候不一样...但我们起步的时间不算早，夏天我非常忙，他去参加表演，不在这里，接着他有休息度假时间，也拿到了新鞋。我们的常规训练两三星期前才开始。所以，如果他能现在恢复状态不再有太多起伏，我会觉得我们准备好了...
Ready in February?
准备好2月份参加比赛？
Oh yes, even in January… I think he has to be ready in January for Europeans. We take it step by step, we cannot overdo it now. It’s not like younger children who have to learn many new things; he has to be able to maintain what he can do; and that’s it.
是的，甚至1月份的比赛...我想他必须准备好1月份的欧锦赛。我们要一步步走下去，不能现在就过分劳累。他不像年轻一些的孩子要学习很多新东西；他必须将所有能做的动作保持住，就是这样。
Some more questions about your other pupils. Samuel Contesti, is he continuing to work with you?
还有些问题是关于你的其他学生的。Samuel Contesti，他会继续跟你合作吗？
Yes, of course. Samuel was asking me [to train him] in the end of the period of Stephane, and I asked Stephane if he minds if I worked with Samuel. He said: “No, no, it’s OK, fine with me”. I wanted to be sure. I did not want to work against [Stephane]… Samuel has his wife who teaches him, she’s a very good teacher too and they needed some advice. And Samuel is a very good person too, very hard worker, and I helped him, travelling back and forth between the two, and my own [pupils] at home, of course, I cannot drop anybody.
是的，当然。在我结束执教Stephane后，Samuel问我能不能做他的教练。我问Stephane是否介意我和Samuel合作，他说，“不会，这样很好，我不介意。”我想确认这一点。我不愿背离他的愿望... Samuel有他的妻子执教，她也是个很好的教练，他们需要的是一些帮助。Samuel也是个很勤奋出色的人，我帮助他，在他们和我家乡的学生们之间来回奔波。我当然不能抛下任何人。
You were going to Italy as well?
你也去意大利？
It’s not far from Geneva, it’s one hour and forty minutes. Geneva is very close to France and Italy. So he lives right at the border. It’s one hour and twenty minutes by motorway and I go there and sometimes he comes to Geneva. Next week we are flying to Japan with Stephane and Samuel (for Japan Open). They both compete in the same team (“Team Europe”). Then for the first time I will be in the situation when I have two at the boards [of the rink].**
那儿离日内瓦不远，只相距一小时四十分钟路程。日内瓦离法国和意大利都很近。他正好住在离边境不远的地方。我开车过去要用一小时二十分钟，他有时也会来日内瓦。下周我要和Stephane还有Samuel飞去日本参加公开赛。他们在同一队比赛（欧洲队）。这是我第一次同时带两个下场的运动员。**
**原注：Mr.Grutter's pupils did great in Japan, Stephane and Samuel got 150.52 and 117.49 points respectively and "Team Europe" won Japan Open 2009 competition. Read the full report about this competition on our site.
Grutter先生的学生们在日本表现优异。Stephane和Samuel分别得到了150.52分和117.49分，欧洲队赢得了2009年日本公开赛。可在本站（Absolute Skating）浏览完整的报道。
 
It will be the trial before the Europeans.
这会是欧锦赛的预演。
I had this in our country sometimes, having two or three in the same category, but not at this level, so I will find out. I will know more about it. I take it a good count and I’ll try to make it.
有时在国内就是这样，一个项目里有两三个学生，但没在这种级别的比赛出现过，我想看看那会怎样，多些了解。我会认真对待，努力做好。
Your other pupils, Noemie Silberer…
你还有一名学生Noemie Silberer...
Noemie, at the moment is injured, she can’t practice. She has a hip injury. She, for quite some time, has not been practicing, but just coming to the ice. I have Loran Alvarez who has a very difficult year at school, with maturité exams, and this is hard for him. I have a very good little one, very much like Stephane when he was young.
Noemie现在受伤了，她无法训练。是臀部受伤。她已经有很长时间没有训练，刚刚回到冰上。还有Loran Alvarez，他正在学校为毕业考试拼搏，那对他来说很难。我也有个年龄很小的优秀学生，与Stephane小时候非常相像。
Really? Because my next question was supposed to be whether Swiss skating has a future…
真的？因为我本来下一个问题是瑞士滑冰有没有未来...
We have many good ones, not me, I have only one little, [who is] really good, but the country has a lot of little hopes. I think in a few years we’ll have good skaters again, especially in girls. At the top level not so much, Sara is a bit alone. But we have to wait; we have a few very good young people in the country, more in the Swiss German part.
我们有很多优秀的孩子，不仅仅是我。我只有一个非常优秀的，而整个国家有很多希望的火种。我觉得在几年以后，我们又会拥有优秀的滑冰运动员了，尤其是女子项目。一线选手并不多，Sarah有些孤军奋战。只是我们需要等待，等待一些成绩优异的年轻选手，她们多数来自这个国家的德语区。
And the last question: you were coaching under both systems. What do you think about the new one (COP)?
然后是最后一个问题：你在两个评分系统下执教。你是怎么看待新系统（COP）的？
I like the old system more. The new system has brought interesting things but I think it’s too extreme going into the details. And everything that is extreme for me is not good. I’m afraid the public interest will go away because they don’t understand how it’s made, the mark. I am still happier with the old system: I think judges were trying so hard and I don’t think that so many results were wrong. Our Federation was obliged by Olympic Committee. So many times in revolutions, good things disappear: not everything which is good is new… I would not go back to the old system as it was, but I would try to make this more towards the skaters, better for skaters; because we have a lot of nonsense that we have to do to get a lot of points. But of course new ideas happen, maybe programs at the beginning were more interesting but now they look very, very, many of them are totally similar.
我更喜欢旧的系统。新系统能带来有趣的东西，但我觉得它太过于强调细节了。而任何东西过头了就不是好事。我担心公众对滑冰的兴趣会消退，因为他们无法理解分数是怎么运作的。我仍然乐意见到旧系统，裁判们都非常努力的打分，我也没有觉得太多结果不正确。奥委会就在我们国家，不少好东西在革新后消失了，因此并不是一切新的都好...我不会回到旧系统中去，但我会尝试让它变得更贴近运动员，对他们更有益；因为其中有很多无谓的东西，我们必须靠此得到一堆分数。不过当然了，新点子还是有的，也许最初的节目更有意思一些，而现在它们看上去非常相似，很多都完全雷同。
But Stephane got all his best results under the new system.
但Stephane在新系统下得到了最好的结果。
Was Moscow new? Was it already new? But I feel his best performance was not at Worlds championship in Moscow, it was when he was fourth in Dortmund (Worlds 2004), and I think it was old system. And Washington qualification (Worlds 2003) was a very good program. And there were others and it was not his time.
莫斯科那次是新系统吗？已经启用了吗？但我觉得他最好的表现不在莫斯科的世锦赛上，而是在多特蒙德（2004年世锦赛）得到第4名的时候，我想那时候是用的旧系统。还有华盛顿的资格赛（2003年世锦赛），那次也是个好节目。还有些场次，但他发挥得不好。
I would try to find a combination. I am not happy about technical specialists though, not happy about all this… There are changes in every championship: things are different, one season this way, another season this way, and this is one person who is a specialist. The reason you have nine judges for example is because you want to have different opinions, but you have only one opinion of technical specialist. I was happier with an old system.
我会想办法将它们融合。我不怎么喜欢技术专家，不喜欢这种设置...每次世界锦标赛都会有变化：规则有变动，一赛季这样，一赛季那样，可只有一个人担任专家。比如说我们有9个裁判，因为需要不同的意见，但来自技术专家的意见只有一个。我还是更喜欢旧的系统。
Thank you and good luck to your team and to Stephane in this coming season.
谢谢你，祝你的团队和Stephane在新赛季中好运。
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Marc Lindegger: “We are glad he is back”
Marc Lindegger:“他回来，我们都很高兴”
By Reut Golinsky
Photos Reut Golinsky, Marina Nastevich
记者：Reut Golinsky
摄影：Reut Golinsky, Marina Nastevich
Marc Lindegger is the specialist for the Art on Ice Production AG and Carré Event AG team when it comes to communications. A journalist himself, he is now responsible for all communications activities including publications, media relations, PR and advertising. We met for the first time during the “Art on Ice” show in Zurich. He is the one I should thank for the amazing experience of being present at the rehearsals and watching how the miracle of the show is created.
Marc Lindegger是冰上艺术制片公司的专家，以及卡雷活动策划公司小组联络人。他原本是记者，现在负责一切联络事项，包括出版发行、媒体公关和广告。我们在苏黎世的冰上艺术表演中见了第一面。我应该感谢他为我提供亲临现场观看排演的机会，见证表演中的奇迹是如何创造出来的。
We met again in Oberstdorf and he agreed to answer a few of my questions about Stephane’s comeback and his work with him.
我们在Oberstdorf又见了一面，他答应回答我的几个问题，有关Stephane的复出以及他的工作。
The Swiss press likes to say that Stephane has a lot of “spins” not only on the ice, but off-ice too. He had a few very big changes in his life during the last year: his decision to train in US, his retirement, and his comeback. What influence did it have on your work? Was it more work to do?
瑞士媒体喜欢这么报道Stephane，说他不仅在冰上旋转，冰下也转来转去。去年一年他有几个人生中的重大转折：他决定去美国训练，退役，以及复出。这些对你的工作有什么影响？要做的事多吗？
Well, we have a lot of work anyway. For sure when we have some changes or corrections, it adds to our work, but that’s our job. The team around Stephane is doing what he wants to do because he is an artist, he is a skater, and he is a sportsman. We are here to help him to accomplish his goals. Naturally, we also give him some tips, but at the end he is the one who decides what to do. We are very happy he is back, and as you saw yesterday, it’s good he is back. He is back in a way we hoped and expected. I think he is the new and old Stephane Lambiel. His short program yesterday was just great. You see, he was quite sure about his decision. It took a long time, probably, to decide to come back. He only said, “I will be back,” when he knew for sure he would be healthy enough to do it. He is not coming back to be tenth or twelfth. He is only coming back to really try to be one of the best again; he cannot come back just to joke around and be fifteenth. He had to know about his health first and that his injury was under control. He has it under control now and we hope he can keep it like this. He needs to stay healthy; that’s the most important thing so that he’ll be able to reach Vancouver.
我们总有很多事情。当然我们有一些变动和调整，这增加了工作量，但那是我们应该完成的工作。Stephane的团队执行着他的意愿，因为他是艺术家和滑冰运动员，我们的任务是帮助他达成目标。我们当然也给他一些提示，但最终是他决定接下来做什么。见到他回来我们非常高兴，你昨天也看到了，他能回来简直太好了。我们希望他以这种方式回归。我认为他既是过去也是现在的自己。昨天他的短节目非常棒。你能看到他对自己的决定很有把握。也许做这个回来的决定花了很长时间。当他明确的知道自己的健康条件允许参赛，他只说了一句，“我会回来的。”他不是为第十名或者十五名而复出的。他先要了解自己的健康状况，让伤势得到控制。现在他能控制伤势，我们希望他保持这种状态。他需要健康的身体，那是他能去温哥华的最重要条件。
Was it a surprise for you when he announced that he wanted to come back? How many days before the official announcement did you know about it?
他宣布想回来参赛，你有没有觉得惊讶？你在正式宣布前几天得知的消息？
To be honest, we knew it just a few days before. We knew he has to take the decision sometime, but we didn’t know the news about what he decided much before anyone else. He just said: “OK, I will do it,” and we had to react after that. We were not prepared for this.
老实说，我们在几天之前才知道。我们知道他得在某个时候做出这个决定，但在他决定之后，我们并不比其他人先得知这个消息。他只是说，“好吧，我会去。”然后我们得做出反应，我们没有准备。
You didn’t expect that he would say this?
你没有想到他会这么说？
Oh, a lot of people expected it. But you can expect something and sometimes the opposite happens. So… we’re just happy he is back. That’s good for us, good for Swiss skating, and good for world skating. I think it’s good for skating in general and to be honest, it’s also very good for “Art on Ice,” for sure.
哦，有很多人希望如此。你有时可以寄予希望，但实际上发生相反的事情。所以...我们只是很高兴看到他能回来。这对我们有益，对瑞士滑冰运动有利，对世界滑冰运动也是如此。我认为这对滑冰运动本身是件好事，说实在的，这肯定也对冰上艺术的演出很有帮助。
So, this is your way of working with Stephane: to wait for his decisions? First he decides and then you go with it?
那么，这就是你与Stephane合作的方式：等待他的决定？先由他决定，然后你们去做？
We can’t decide for him. He has to skate; he takes all the responsibility. He has to train. He has to work. We can’t decide for him whether to quit, or to come back. In certain things, we can inform him and we can help him, but the final decision about what he wants to do with his life is his.
我们不能为他做出决定。他得滑冰，他承担了所有责任。他必须训练。他必须工作。我们不能为他决定是否退出，或者是否复出。有些事项我们可以通知他，然后帮助他，但最终如何对待的决定权在他手上。
I’m asking because there were a lot of rumors about pressure on him to come back. The Swiss Federation and the ISU were pressing…
我这样问，是因为有很多传言说他是在压力下复出。瑞士冰协和国际滑联在施压...
No, that’s not true at all. There was no pressure neither from ISU, nor from the Swiss Federation; no pressure from our side, not at all. We let him decide. Also, he would not react to pressure. I am sure.
不，那些都是谣言。没有任何来自国际滑联或是瑞士冰协的压力；也没有来自我们的压力，完全没有。我们让他自己决定。同样他也不会对这样的胁迫做出反应。我可以肯定。
The date when he made his decision depended on the deadline of this competition in Oberstdorf, I suppose…
我想，他做出决定的日子取决于Oberstdorf那场比赛的截止日是哪天...
Not only for Oberstdorf, but he really had to make the final decision then because we were late in arranging the entire itinerary for the year. We knew that Nebelhorn Trophy would be a very important date if he came back. We needed to arrange a lot of things concerning the Olympics too, which has to be prepared very seriously in every detail. The program needed to be prepared and there was a lot of administration work to be done. So it was the latest moment to decide, yes. And he knew that.
不仅是Oberstdorf，不过他真的得在那时做决定，因为我们对这一年全部日程的安排都拖后了。我们清楚，如果他复出的话，Nebelhorn Trophy是一个非常重要的日期。我们需要安排很多奥运的相关事务，必须严肃考虑所有细节问题。需要准备节目，也有很多行政工作。所以是的，那是做决定的最后期限，而他知道这一点。
Because unfortunately he was too late for Grand Prix assignments…
很不走运，因为太迟了，他没能参加大奖赛....
That’s right. We hope he’ll have a good free program tonight and he’ll assure the spot for Switzerland first. After Nebelhorn, we hope the ISU will give us a Grand Prix event. We still hope he’ll be able to go to one of them. We are in kind of a “stand by.” He’ll be very happy to have one because he has to earn 195 points to qualify him [for Olympics] according to what the Swiss Olympic Committee requires. He’ll do it here and he needs to do it one more time. Swiss Nationals cannot count as it is not an ISU event and we have only the Swiss judges there. He can do it only at Europeans, but that could be too late. He would be very happy to have a Grand Prix and to participate in one more competition, but we have to wait.
没错。我们希望他在今晚的自由滑里滑好，他就能先保住一个瑞士的席位。在Nebelhorn之后，我们希望国际滑联能提供一个大奖赛参赛机会。我们仍然希望他能去一站分站赛。我们已经“准备好”了。如果有机会，他也会很高兴，因为根据瑞士奥委会的规定，他必须再得到195分才能获得参加奥运的资格。他在这里可以获得分数，但还需要另一次参赛。瑞士全国比赛不能算在内，因为它不是国际滑联举办的赛事，那里只有瑞士裁判。他只能参加欧锦赛，但那可能太迟了。要是能去大奖赛的一站参加一次比赛，他会非常高兴，可我们只能等待。
But it would be a very stupid situation if they don’t let him, the best Swiss skater, go to the Olympics because of this rule.
但是，如果他们因为这条规则就不让他这个最好的瑞士花样滑冰选手参加奥运会，那该有多么愚蠢。
I think it’ll be OK. He is improving now. The most important part now is to be healthy and to go step by step.
我想这没有问题。他现在的进展顺利。现在最重要的是保持健康，一步步来。
And the last question. I don’t like all the “what if” questions, but still, what if he is not on the podium in Vancouver? Will it change something for you? For him?
最后一个问题。我并不喜欢一切“如果这样”的问题，但我还是想问，如果他没有登上温哥华的领奖台呢？这会改变你们吗？或者改变他？
You have to ask him. We are working in the sports area, and in the sports life, everything can happen. You can have a bad day or you can have the greatest day. You cannot go and buy a medal there. You can just go and do your best. There are some other guys who want to do it too and Stephane is aware that there are a lot of good skaters around. Nothing will come easily there, so he will just fight and do his best and then we will see. If some other guys are better, we’ll need to accept this. Life will go on.
你得去问他本人。我们在体育界工作，而在运动生涯中，什么事情都可能发生。你可能一天过得很糟，也可能极其顺利。你没法去那里买一块奖牌，只能尽你所能做到最好。其他人也想做到最好，Stephane意识到了这一点，好选手有很多。一切都不会轻易得到，他要做的只是去拼，去做到最好，然后再看结果。如果有其他人发挥更好，我们需要接受它。生活会继续下去。
I can assure you that even if he doesn’t go to the Olympics at all, he is already one of the best skaters and is in the history of figure skating.
我可以向你保证，即使他根本去不了奥运会，他已经是花样滑冰历史中最好的运动员之一。
Yes; I think he doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone anymore. But he wants to do this. It’s his life and we let him go [with it].
是的；我认为他再也不用向任何人证明什么。但这是他想做的事。这是他的生命轨迹，我们让他自己走。
This talk was on Friday morning, before men’s free program. That’s why Marc was talking about still getting an Olympic spot for Switzerland. Friday evening, after a winning performance of the beautiful Tango, I met him again and congratulated him with their victory. “Oh, you shouldn’t congratulate me, I did nothing,” he said. But I don’t agree with him. I think that Stephane’s good performance at Nebelhorn was a result of the hard work of all of his team and this victory was thanks to all of them. Hopefully, there will be many more to come in this important season.
这次对话发生在周五早上，男单自由滑之前。这也是为什么Marc仍然提到争夺瑞士的奥运会参赛名额。到了周五晚上，在那一支出色的探戈赢得比赛之后，我与他再次见面，向他祝贺他们的胜利。“哦，你不应该向我祝贺，我什么都没做，”他说。但我不同意他的说法。我觉得Stephane在Nebelhorn的良好表现是他的团队辛勤工作的结果，这次的获胜多亏了他们所有人。希望在这个重要的赛季中，这样的情形会不断上演。
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Salomé Brunner: "People he loves will always stay"
Salome Brunner:“他热爱的人不会离开”
Part I
第一部分
By Reut Golinsky
Photos Reut Golinsky, Silvia Ulenberg, Mireille Geurts & Joy
记者：Reut Golinsky
摄影：Reut Golinsky, Silvia Ulenberg, Mireille Geurts & Joy
Since I read that article about her on our site, this is how I think of her – Queen of Grace. Or Stéphane's Guardian Angel, the title they gave her on the official site. And Salomé really is the queen, the angel, not just his choreographer, but foremost his very close friend. Since I follow Lambiel's career, I adore and respect this woman. In Zurich during "Art on Ice" I had a chance to tell her. This time, during Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, we had a bit more time, so apart from love confessions (from my side) there were lots of interesting things we discussed: her work in shows versus her work for competitions, the new judging system, skaters she is working with and, of course, Stéphane.
以前，我从这个网站上读到过她的采访，在那之后我就认为她是优雅女王，或是Stéphane的守护天使，他们在官网上这么称呼她。Salomé不仅是他的编舞，是女王和天使，更重要的是与他非常亲近的朋友。从我开始关注Lambiel的职业生涯以来，我一直欣赏并敬佩她。在苏黎世冰上艺术表演期间，我有机会将这个感受告诉了她。这次在Oberstdorf的Nebelhorn Trophy比赛期间，我们的时间更充沛，所以除了爱的告白（来自我）以外，我们还讨论了很多有趣的话题：她在演出中和在比赛中的工作、新评分系统、与她合作的滑冰运动员，当然，还有Stéphane。
Good morning, Salomé. You can't imagine how glad I am to see you here, to see all "team Stéphane" here today.
早上好，Salomé。你一定难以想像我在这里见到你是多么高兴，今天我在这里见到了所有“兰比尔的团队”的成员。
Thank you, I am happy to be here.
谢谢你，我也很愉快。
You were asked once if after so many years of work with Stéphane he still surprises you. And you answered 'yes'. I wonder if he surprised you this summer.
有一次别人问你，你和Stéphane合作了这么多年，他是否仍然让你惊讶。你回答说‘是的’。我不知道他是否在这个夏天也让你吃惊了。
It was a surprise because I did not know when this wish would appear and I did not know how strong [it would be]... I knew quite late [about his decision], he already decided, maybe few days before. I didn't expect it at that particular moment, so I was very surprised. I was thinking about this all year because I didn't feel that the wish to compete was completely gone, but at that moment I didn't expect it. I said 'Ah... what?' (laughs) And I was happy that he could make that decision, because it's difficult to feel this, to be on a border, in between, when on one hand you think 'oh, it would be nice' but on the other hand you have reasons that keep you back. I thought it was good that he could make a final decision, either 'no' or 'yes'.
这的确是个惊喜，因为我不知道这个愿望什么时候才会出现，也不清楚它有多么强烈...我很迟才得知他的决定，也许几天前他就已经下决心了。那时我并没有想到，所以很惊讶。我正在思考这一年怎么过，因为我觉得他参加比赛的意愿并没有全部消失，但在那个时刻我没有准备。我说：‘啊...什么？’（笑）他能做这个决定，我很开心，因为像这样在边缘上、在两者之间很难抉择，一方面你会想‘哦，这样就好’，但另一方面你有理由不迈出这一步。他能做个最终决定是件好事，不管是确认还是否认。
He just told you 'I'm coming to Oberstdorf to make a short program'? How was it?
他只是对你说‘我要去Oberstdorf排练短节目’吗？怎么做到的？
It was difficult. The [summer] camp was full. Peter (Grutter) and I had many skaters - there was not really an hour of the day when we could work. Of course, I wanted to find time for Stéphane, there was no question, and I said to Peter, 'You know, if we cannot skate here, I will leave, I will go to some [other] place with him' and then Peter said 'No, you must stay here, you cannot leave'. We asked the ice rink administration whether if would be possible to work at night, and they opened one rink just for Stéphane and me at night time, so we had private music, private ice.
有些困难。夏令营已经满了。Peter (Grutter)和我带着很多学员，一天中可以让我们合作时间的连一小时都没有。我当然想安排时间指导Stéphane，这是毫无疑问的，我对Peter说：‘你知道，如果我们不能在这里滑，我就离开，和他去另一个冰场’，然后Peter说‘不，你得留下，你不能走’。我们问了冰场的管理人员，看看能不能在晚上也开放，然后他们只为Stéphane和我开放了晚场，于是我们就有自己的音乐和自己的冰场了。
And it was secret, nobody knew...
于是这是秘密的，没人知道...
It was not so much for secrecy, more because we needed privacy. We needed to find out what we wanted - and with many people watching it's not so easy to do.
也不是为了保密，更多的是因为我们需要单独的时间。我们需要找到想要的东西，而有很多人看着的话就不太容易。
Do you usually have the opportunity to work in such privacy in Switzerland?
你们在瑞士一般也有机会在这样的单独情况下工作吗？
Sometimes in the morning, when it's not holidays and children are at school, but it is never that private as it was here. It was really wonderful, because usually there are other skaters, somebody on the ice, in Zurich or in Lausanne, but here it was really only us on the ice, and the music, and the mirror. It was wonderful.
非假期期间，孩子们还在学校的时候，早上有时有机会，但从没像在这里一样。单独工作实在非常美妙，因为不管在苏黎世还是在洛桑，通常情况都下有其他运动员，冰上有别人在滑，而在这里真的只有我们在冰上，还有音乐和镜子。实在太好了。
And it took just few days to make the whole program?
而你们只用了几天就编好了整个节目？
It was very quick, because Stéphane had little time. He had an exhibition tour, and it was only this time that he could work. So he came prepared. He had the music already, he chose it and he had cut it with a friend, so the music was ready, when he came. Very beautiful music, I loved it from the first moment. I like the first part of the music very much, it's not so known; the second part is very well known. I like both parts, they're very different.
非常快，因为Stéphane的时间很少。他有巡演，只有这个时候他才能工作，所以他是有备而来的。他已经选好了音乐，并和一个朋友一起剪好了音乐，因此音乐在他来的时候也准备好了。音乐很好听，我一听就喜欢上了。我非常喜欢它的第一部分，那段不是很出名；第二段则脍炙人口。这两段我都喜欢，它们很不一样。
So he brought the music and some ideas...
所以说，他带来了音乐和一些主意...
... and also he knew already where he wanted to place elements and then we only needed to find the 'language' we wanted. He could do a lot of improvisation because there was nobody on the ice and he had music all the time. It was really construction, piece by piece, and after we worked through [a few] nights here, in the sports center, it was there, it was done. But he needed to practice it after that and get it into his body, as always.
...他也已经清楚在哪里放置动作元素，我们只需要找到我们想要的‘语言’。他能在很多时候即兴发挥，因为冰上没有别人，一直在放他的音乐。真的是一片片的把架子搭起来，我们在这里工作了几个晚上之后，它就在体育中心诞生了，节目编好了。不过接下来他需要练习，和往常一样，让身体融入动作。
I've read in one of your interviews that this is the way you work with Stéphane: he's improvising on the ice and you're catching his movements.
我读过一则你的访谈，你是这样跟Stéphane合作的：他在冰上即兴发挥，你捕捉记录他的动作。
Usually a stronger skater is more secure, has more feeling, connection with the music. Then more comes from the skater's side and I just have to pick what we have to put together. And when the skater is younger and not so experienced, then I have also to give ideas. Sometimes I give ideas to Stéphane too. But less, less and less. (smiles)
通常来说，更好的选手这样做更保险，与音乐更有联系，更有感觉。于是编排更多是来自于选手，我只是挑选要拼起来的部分。而当选手年轻一些没有经验时，我也会出主意。有时我也给Stéphane提供一些点子。不过越来越少了。（笑）
Do you think he would be a good choreographer himself?
你觉得他能成为一个优秀的编舞吗？
Yes, I think so. I wonder if he has the patience to teach something to somebody... Not yet, I think, maybe later in his life. Now he has to do it himself, he's a performer, he needs this. But I wonder maybe later. He will be a wonderful choreographer if he has this interest to do it.
我想是的。我不知道他有没有耐心教导别人...我觉得现在还没有，也许再大一些就有了。现在他得自己上场，他是个表演者，他需要表演。不过我想以后会的。他如果有兴趣做的话，他会是个非常棒的编舞。
I'm thinking all the time: 'Okay, two years, three years and he won't be able to skate but maybe we'll see him in his pupils, through his choreography'...
我一直这样想：‘好吧，两三年后他就不能滑了，不过也许我们会看到他带着他的学生，当着编舞’...
No, not in two or three years, no, no, much later in his life.
不，不会在两三年内发生，会在他生命中更晚一些的时候。
Ne Me Quitte Pas, the exhibition program, was it also made by both of you?
Ne Me Quitte Pas，这个表演，它也是你们合作的产物吗？
Yes. It was also teamwork, but he gave the input and always, of course, [it was choreographed] in his direction. It was constructed the same way, yes.
对。这也是通过合作得来的，但他投入其中，显然一直掌握着编排的导向。这个节目是用同样的方式编出来的。
I really love this song, I love Jacques Brel and Francophone music in general, and I was amazed how many details in choreography are connected to the lyrics. Pity that most of people don't understand the lyrics.
我真的很喜欢这首歌，我喜欢Jacques Brel，喜欢法语歌曲，编排中众多与歌词有联系的细节让我眼前一亮。真遗憾，大多数人听不懂歌词。
It was exactly a "lyrical choreography", yes. It was not even a question [how to do this]. We both had the same idea. There was no other way of interpretation.
这正是一种“歌词编排”。如何编排动作甚至不是个问题。我们的意见一模一样。不会有别的表达方式。
 
I saw the interpretations of this song by Béjart Ballet and by Cirque du Soleil, but I've never seen such a version: it's like he is singing with his body. I was so impressed.
我见过Béjart芭蕾剧团和太阳马戏团对这首歌的诠释，但我从来没见过这样的版本，他好像在用身体来歌唱。它给我留下非常深刻的印象。
Actually I was converted into Jacques Brel's fan, when we were doing this, because I also feel the way this artist pronounces the words, it is very special, they're not just words. He has a very special, intense way of pronunciation. Because I knew this song for many years, so many people have already used it, also on the ice... But when you really get into the song, it's a fantastic piece of art; I like it so much...
事实上我们编排这个节目时，我成了Jacques Brel的歌迷，因为我也能感受到艺人非常特殊的吟唱方式，它们不仅仅是歌词。他的发音方式很强烈，与众不同。因为我在很多年前就已经听过这首歌了，很多人已经在冰面上用过它...然而当你真正融入歌曲，你会觉得它是一件艺术瑰宝；我非常喜欢它...
I think, what you did - you, Stéphane and Jacque Brel together - is a real piece of art, and I'm not the only one, believe me. My interest in FS started with Stéphane's Flamenco. Every figure skating fan has "The program", and Flamenco was such a program for me. I wasn't sure whether something better than this could be created. Ne Me Quitte Pas wasn't better because I can't even compare them...
我觉得你们做出的是一件真正的艺术品，包括你、Stéphane和Jacque Brel三个人在内，相信我，不仅仅是我一个人这么认为。我对花样滑冰的兴趣始于Stéphane的Falmenco节目。每个花滑迷都有个“最喜欢节目”，而Falmenco就是我最喜欢的。我不太肯定你们会不会编出更好的节目。我不觉得Ne Me Quitte Pas更好，因为我甚至无法比较它们...
Exactly...
一点也不错...
This was an exhibition program and suddenly I understood that I'm not sorry he retired if now he can create such beautiful things.
这是个表演节目，我突然想通了，如果他能创造出如此漂亮的节目，我不会为他的退役感到难过。
It was nice, and you are right in this, it was actually nice not to have to think about wrong positions or other things like this [which come from COP], we were very free then, that's true.
那真好，而你说的对，不用考虑错误的姿势或者其它［COP规则下］的东西真是挺好的，我们真的非常自由。
I hope that in future you'll both be able to create more amazing things like this. Will you continue to work together? After he retired a year ago, was it obvious that you would continue to work together?
我希望将来你们能创造出更多像这样的了不起的作品。你们会继续合作吗？在一年前他退役的时候，你们是不是当然会继续合作？
Yes, I thought so, but I also thought he would work with many different people, because he himself is an artist now and he can choose so many different ways. He can work with me, and with many other choreographers. I think it will be like this: not all the time he will work with the same people. But he is that kind of person - all the people who are part of his life, people he loves, will always be [in his life]. It's not 'OK, you're today, and you're tomorrow'. I think the connection between him and people - Peter and him, Majda and him, and all his surroundings - this will always stay and when he works with different people it's not that we are forgotten.
是的，我那时这么想，但我也考虑过他和很多不同的人合作，因为现在他自己就是个艺术家，他可以选择许多不同的方式。他能跟我合作，也可以与其他编舞合作。我认为事情会变成这样：他不会在全部时间里与一个人合作。他是那种人－所有在他生命中占据一席之地的人，他爱着的人，会一直留在他的生命中；而不是‘好吧，今天是你，明天是你’。我认为他和其他人之间的联系，包括Peter和他之间，Majda和他之间，还有他周围的一切，它们都会一直留存下来，而他与别人合作并不意味着我们被遗忘了。
It was very touching for me yesterday to see the reunion of your team. When he decided to leave for the US we were all worried how it was going to turn out. I worried about the choreography because I really wanted you to stay with him. I didn't like what Nina Petrenko created for Johnny Weir for the last years, his programs were very empty and I was afraid I wouldn't like Stéphane's programs made by her.
昨天见到你们团队的团聚，我非常感动。在他决定离开这里去美国时，我们都为最后的结果担惊受怕。我担心他的编排，因为我真的希望你留在他身边。我不喜欢去年Nina Petrenko为Johnny Weir编排的节目，他的节目非常空泛，我害怕自己不会喜欢她为Stéphane编的节目。
I don't think Stéphane would allow himself to skate something that he's not completely behind...
我想Stéphane不会让自己去滑一个不完全认同的节目...
Maybe it was not the right combination for him [in the States], when they opposed things, maybe in this part of Europe we're less used to this, we see the things differently. But I know there are no bad feelings between him and the Russian coaches, this is also quite nice to know.
也许对他来说，在美国进行的组合并不对路，他们反对一些东西，也许在欧洲这里我们不习惯这样，我们看待事情的方式不同。但我知道他和俄罗斯教练组之间并没有相互反感，了解到这一点让人十分欣慰。
Part II
第二部分
By Reut Golinsky
Photos Reut Golinsky, Silvia Ulenberg
记者：Reut Golinsky
摄影：Reut Golinsky, Silvia Ulenberg
Let's talk about your other work. I saw you during the rehearsal of "Art on Ice" show. Are you usually involved in the shows of "Art on Ice"?
我们来谈谈你的另一项工作。我在冰上艺术表演的排练中见到了你。你通常都参与冰上艺术的表演吗？
I've worked with "Art on Ice" for about fifteen years, since their first show was made. At the beginning I did only small things. I was just there with all the skaters and made small parts of the choreography, and then more and more. But every year I am there, it's a lovely time of the year for me. I will work on "World's Best" show in December too. Oliver (H渀攀爀) should come here and maybe we will find a moment to discuss the show.
我与冰上艺术合作了大约十五年，从他们的第一场演出开始。起初我只做些小事。我和所有滑冰运动员呆在一起，做一小部分的编排，然后编排得越来越多。每一年我都去，那段时间是我一年中的开心日子。我也参与12月的“世界最佳”表演。Oliver (H渀攀爀)应该来这里，也许我们可以找个时间讨论演出的事。
Is the approach different when you create something for competitions than when you work on the show? You're free to do what you want, but you need to work with the invited skaters you know less, to invent choreography for the group numbers.
你为比赛和为表演创造节目的方式有区别吗？你能自由地做些想做的，但你也需要与邀请来的滑冰运动员合作，你不怎么了解他们，但要为一群人设计出编排。
Yes, the approach is very different. My work goes in the same direction but it is intended for the bigger audience. Everything should have lots of visual effects. There are other rules for the shows than for the competitions. Everything should create a common context.
有区别，方法非常不一样。我要做相似的工作，只是这个要为更大的观众群考虑。每一件东西都要有许多视觉效果。表演有另一些规则，不同于比赛。所有东西都要创造出一种共同的背景环境。
In group numbers, for the finale, for example, you think of how to unite the single acts the skaters have, right?
举个例子，比如表演终场时的演员群体，你考虑的是如何将来自选手的单独动作联合在一起，对吗？
Exactly. Also for two years now we've been working together with the dance choreographer (Marwin A. Smith), who also brings dancers to the show. So his style of work with the dancers should be in the context of the show. The big part of the work is in the connection between dancers and skaters, so I have to - and I like to - learn from him, from what he is doing on the stage, and to try to translate it to the ice. So I am more a translator sometimes than a choreographer.
是的。另外我们也与舞蹈编排(Marwin A. Smith)合作了两年，他也将舞蹈演员带来参加演出。他与舞蹈演员合作的风格应该成为背景环境的一个组成部分。合作中最大的一部分即是舞蹈演员与滑冰运动员之间的联系，我必须也很乐意从他那里学习，学习他在舞台上所做的，并尝试将它转换到冰面上。因此我有时更像是个翻译而不是编舞。
I saw "Art on Ice" this winter for the first time live and I really loved it. I think, on TV you can't see the whole thing. I hope that in years to come this show will go beyond the Swiss borders. Though technically, I think, it can be complicated.
这个冬天的冰上艺术，我第一次看了现场，非常喜欢它。我觉得在电视上无法看到整个表演。希望在将来几年里，这个演出能走出瑞士的国境线。虽然我觉得严格来说这件事可能比较复杂。
Yes, Zurich's show has a big technical aspect to it. A similar show goes each year to Lausanne too. But this year because of technical complexity we couldn't reproduce the whole show, as it was in Zurich, in Lausanne, so to travel with such a show might be a problem. Many preparations should be made for this, I suppose, I don't know much about this side of the show, but it must be very difficult.
是的，苏黎世的演出很大一部分是有技术条件的。每年在洛桑的相似表演也是如此。但今年由于技术上的复杂性，我们无法像在苏黎世或者洛桑那样重现整个演出，所以带这样一个演出团巡演可能会有问题。为此要做许多准备，我想，我并不太清楚演出在这一部分上的事，但那一定非常困难。
I think this is the best European show now, and maybe it's even better than "Stars on ice". Because of all those things you can't move, and also dancers and live singing adds a lot.
我觉得这是当下欧洲最好的演出了，也许甚至比“冰上明星”更好。因为所有的东西都不能搬动，舞蹈演员和现场歌曲也增加了很多气氛。
I always liked the "Stars on ice" shows.
我一直很喜欢“冰上明星”演出。
You performed yourself in some ice show, right?
你在一些冰上演出中也有表演，是吗？
Yes, I was skating with Torvill and Dean's show. It was a nice show tour. Later on Christopher and Jayne were working in "Stars on ice" as skaters and then also as choreographers. And I always thought that it was a wonderful show, but for many years I didn't see it, so I don't know how it looks now. I would like to see it again.
对，我在Torvill and Dean的演出中上场滑过。那是个不错的冰上巡回演出。在那之后，Christopher和Jayne在“冰上明星”里工作，既当滑冰的演员也做编排。我一直觉得它是个很出色的演出，但在很多年里我都没有去看，所以我不知道现在它是什么样子。我很愿意再去观看。
I know that they are working on the "Dancing on Ice" show, where professional skaters skate with celebrities. Have you seen it?
我知道现在他们在“冰上舞蹈”演出中工作，那里的职业滑冰运动员与名人们一同滑冰。你看过吗？
Yes, I've seen and it's fantastic. I saw the live show in London, in Wembley, and I went without much expectation. People cannot really skate in this show. But they know how to make this show emotional, and you really want the non-skater to do well, and it was very well done. After this show I thought that maybe figure skating needs more public attention and such kind of show brings more attention to figure skating, even the taxi driver knew about it. And also people like the idea that they can go, learn for three months and they'll be able to skate.
看过，我觉得那真是太棒了。我在伦敦的温布里看过现场表演，去的时候我没有期望太多。人们不会真的在这个表演中滑起来。但他们知道如何让演出感情充沛，而你真的希望那些不是选手的人有优异的表现，而这一点做得很出色。在这场表演过后，我想也许花样滑冰需要更多的公众关注，这种演出为花样滑冰带来了更多关注，甚至出租车司机都知道了。同样人们也很喜欢这个主意，他们可以去学上三个月，然后就能滑冰了。
Yeah, but then some skater fails in the competition and everybody says: this celebrity was good after few months and this one a loser...
是啊，但接下来有些选手在比赛中失败了，大家就会说：这个名人学了几个月就滑得很好，而那个人是个失败者...
...not even after a few years of training. Yes, there are always two sides to everything.
...甚至在训练了几年后也是如此。没错，凡事总有两面的。
As a choreographer what do you think about the new system, the Code of Points? Did this make your work harder?
作为编舞，你怎样看待新系统，即COP？它让你的工作变得更困难了吗？
Yes, it's harder. Now [after a few years], it is a bit easier because we learned how to deal with it, but sometimes we think to ourselves 'Why do we have to do all those things?' and we are nostalgic to the time when we could do whatever the music asked for. We need to compromise a lot because of the rules. We feel that the free program is not free anymore, because you have a little space to create something – you have to find a few seconds here and there where you can add some movement.
But it's the system where Stéphane got his first World title, so it cannot be all that bad...
是的，更难了。现在［在几年之后］，稍微容易了一些，因为我们学会了如何应对，但有时我们也在想‘为什么必须做那些动作？’，我们很怀念以前能顺着音乐做任何想做的动作。我们需要为规则做出很多妥协。我们觉得自由滑不再是自由的了，因为创新的空间很小－你得在这里或者那里找到几秒钟，才能加进些动作。
但这是让Stéphane拿到第一个世界冠军的评分系统，所以它不是那么糟糕...
...so we love it. Actually he himself had some criticism about it when we talked with him in winter.
Who are the other skaters you're working with? With Mr.Grutter's pupils?
...所以我们很喜欢。实际上，冬天我们与他交谈时，他本人也有一些批判的意见。
你还与另外哪些滑冰运动员合作？和Grutter先生的学生吗？
Yes, with Noemie Silberer. Also with Loran (Alvarez), another boy he has. But not with the Italian boy (Samuel Contesti), his wife is his choreographer, and he has his team who works with him.
是的，和Noemie Silberer合作。还有Loran (Alvarez)，那是他带的另一个男孩。但没有与意大利人合作（Samuel Contesti），他的妻子是他的编舞，他也有自己的合作团队。
You mentioned once that while you work with Stéphane and Sarah you prefer not to work with other skaters on their level, with their rivals.
你有一次提到，在你与Stéphane和Sarah合作期间，你宁愿不与其他同水平的滑冰运动员合作，不与他们的对手合作。
Yeah, I don't like such a situation. I have this situation in Switzerland, and it's difficult because at the end of the day, everybody wants to do better than the other person.
是啊，我不喜欢那样的情形。在瑞士就是这种情形，这很困难，因为在一天结束时每个人都想比别人做得更好。
But after they finish their career will you work more? Do you have non-Swiss skaters at world level that approach you?
但当他们结束了职业生涯后，你们会有更多合作吗？有没有参加国际比赛的非瑞士滑冰运动员与你联系？
Not so many, but yes. It would be nice [to work with others]. There is the Philippine skater who made the choreography with me [this season], he was supposed to come here, but in the end he didn't.
没有太多，但有。与别人合作挺不错的。有个菲律宾的滑冰运动员这个赛季与我一起编排节目，他应该来这里的，但最后他没有来。
Few words about Sarah, do you know what happened, why she withdrew from Nebelhorn?
有几个问题是关于Sarah的。你知道她为什么退出了Nebelhorn的比赛？发生了什么？
She actually trained very well and she was well-prepared. She is a very delicate person, sometimes her body just doesn't allow her [to work hard]. She had so much pain in her foot; she couldn't even put her weight on it. And few weeks ago she was almost without pain and she was very happy.
她实际上训练得很好，准备充分。她是个很容易受伤的人，有时候她的身体不允许她努力训练。她的脚非常痛；甚至不能站着。几星期前她还几乎没有任何伤痛，那时她非常高兴。
Is her injury she had during previous season healing?
她在上赛季中受的伤痊愈了吗？
Yes, she has a good control over it, she found a manual therapist, who is treating her. Now she says that the pain is always there, but even if she does 300 jumps, the pain is the same. And when it's so she is not scared to train. She knows she will feel this kind of pain, but it won't get worse, and everything is under control. She also tried to find the solution for the boots, as she didn't feel comfortable with those she had, so she changed to another type. Some problems she had with "Graf" disappeared, but something new, unfortunately, came up instead. And it's hard to give her advice what to do, it's very complicated. So it was pain that kept her from coming here. Actually I never heard her complaining about this pain, but I didn't see her the last three days in training, probably it became much worse then. I haven't talked to her yet, she only texted me a message. She doesn't need to qualify Switzerland for the Olympics, but she'll need to find some solution for "Japan Open" she was supposed to participate in (in the end Sarah needed to withdraw from that competition too and Elena Glebova was competing for Team Europe instead, but Sarah took part in "Golden Skate Awards" on October 10th, which means that the situation should be better by the time this article is published).
是的，她能很好的控制伤势，她找到了一位理疗师为她做治疗。现在她说疼痛一直存在，但就算她做300个跳跃，疼痛也还是一样的。而这样的话，她就不会害怕训练了。她知道自己会感觉到这种疼痛，但它不会变得更糟，一切都可以控制。她也努力寻找鞋子问题的解决办法，她穿现在的那双觉得不舒服，于是她换了另一种。“Graf”的鞋子带来的问题消失了，可不幸的是又出现了一些新问题。现在很难告诉她怎么办了，这非常复杂。是疼痛让她没来参加比赛。说真的，我从来没听她抱怨过疼痛，但我在这三天里都没有见到她来训练，可能是因为疼痛变得更剧烈了。我还没有和她谈过，她只发给我一条信息。她不需要为瑞士争取奥运会名额，可她需要为日本公开赛找出些解决办法来，她应该要参加那场比赛（最终Sarah也退出了那场比赛，Elena Glebova代替她为欧洲队上场竞争，但是Sarah参加了10月10日的Golden Skate Awards，这意味着这篇采访发表的时候她的情况应该好一些了）。
With Sarah, as far as I know, you usually work before the start of the season, while you choreograph the new programs, here in Oberstdorf. But we almost never see you in K&C with her, why? You are always there with Stephane.
就我所知，你和Sarah通常在赛季开始之前合作，就在Oberstdorf这里你们编排新的节目。但我们几乎从未看见你和她一起坐在等分区里，为什么？你一直和Stephane坐在一起。
Because her coach is her aunt, and they are very close. They've been a team for many years, since she was very small. So it's not that she needs me to accompany her. She doesn't mind me being there, because we like each other, but the only person she really needs is her aunt. I like to be near her and it's interesting for me, but I feel that psychologically for her it's not so important. So that's why I was in K&C with her only when I was there, in the competition with Stéphane.
因为她的教练是她的姑姑，她们非常亲近。她们的团队合作多年，从她很小时候起就开始了。所以她并不怎么需要我来陪伴她。她不介意我坐在那儿，因为我们彼此欣赏，但她唯一需要的人是她的姑姑。我喜欢呆在她身边，这对我来说挺有意思，但我感觉到在心理上我对她并不重要。这就是原因，仅仅是和Stéphane一起比赛的时候，我才会和她一起出现在等分区里。
Is the work of the choreographer finished before the start of the season? Or do you have to correct or adjust things during the season too?
是不是编舞的工作在赛季开始前就结束了？还是你也得在赛季期间纠正或者调整编排？
Yes, always, to correct or change things sometimes. With Sarah we put the choreography together, then she needs to learn it with the jumps and then she decides which parts of the choreography she can really keep and which ones have to be adjusted. Working with Sarah is easy because we both live in Zurich, so we can meet every morning if we need to and all year round there is ice in Zurich, we can always find a place.
需要，总是这样，有时要改正或者改变一些东西。我和Sarah合作，把编排组合在一起，然后她需要学习，带上跳跃，接着她决定编排的哪些部分她当真能保留下来，哪些需要调整。和Sarah合作很容易，因为我们都住在苏黎世，因此如果需要的话，我们可以每天早晨见面；苏黎世全年有冰，我们总能找到一块地方。
If it's all year round, why do you have summer camp here, in Oberstdorf?
如果是全年有冰，为什么你们在Oberstdorf这里参加夏令营？
Peter (Grutter) has come here with his students for thirty years, and I'm following him, because I like to work with him. It's a beautiful center, and this is very good for the students to concentrate just on the skating for a few weeks, without distractions and others things to do when they are at home. And Sarah likes to come here too, because there are many good skaters here, and it's good for her to train with them as in Switzerland there is very few at this high level.
Peter (Grutter)和他的学生们三十年中都来这里，我跟他一起来，因为我喜欢和他一起工作。这里是个漂亮的体育中心，十分有利于学生们在几周内将精力集中在滑冰上，没有什么分散注意力，也没有他们在家里的其他干扰。Sarah也喜欢来这里训练，因为这里有许多优秀的滑冰运动员，对她来说，和他们一起训练很有益处，在瑞士几乎没人有她这么高的水平。
In choreography where are you getting the ideas from? Are you going to lots of different shows, ballet, modern dance?
你是从哪里得到编排的灵感？你要去看很多不同的表演、芭蕾剧或者现代舞吗？
My interest in general was in this direction. I learned in dance school different types of modern dances, jazz, flamenco. And when I was working in Torvill and Dean's show, we had a ballet teacher, who was training with us every day on the floor. This teacher took me to all the shows in the places where we were touring, in States, in Canada, in England. I saw many big famous performances then. I learned a lot from the work with Torvill and Dean. It's not that you think 'We have to do this choreography' but mostly to learn the possibilities you have. I think it's important to see performances, to learn what other people do, because there are many other people who are working really hard [in the area].
大体上我的兴趣就是这个方向。我在舞蹈学校学习过不同种类的现代舞蹈、爵士和flamenco舞。当我在Torvill and Dean的表演中工作时，我们请了一个芭蕾老师，每天和我们在地板上训练。我们在美国、加拿大和英国巡回的时候，这个老师带我去看了所有当地的演出。于是我见到了许多大型的著名表演。我在和Torvill与Dean的合作中学到了很多东西。不是你想的那样‘我们得这样编排’，而更多情况下是了解你有那些可能性。我认为观看表演很重要，学习其他人做的东西，因为很多其他的人也［在这个领域］非常努力。
Do you have an opportunity and time to watch and learn during the competitions?
在比赛期间，你有机会有时间观看和学习吗？
A little bit, but usually my mind is not so open at this time. I should, but... sometimes I watch it after the competition, to see what other skaters do.
有一点，但通常来说在这些时候我的思维并不是很开放。我应该如此，但...
有时候在比赛过后我会看看其他运动员做了什么。
So can I ask you to name choreographers in figure skating whose work you like?
那么我能问你，在花滑之中你喜欢谁的编排作品吗？
Of course, Torvill and Dean, my mentors, I think - they are doing fantastic choreography. There are also less famous choreographers who I respect a lot and I think they are doing fantastic work, like my colleague in Zurich, Sandra Sch爀, Gheorghe Chiper's wife - she made choreography for Gregor Urbas (of Slovenia). Also I like the work of Yu-Na's choreographer, David Willson, but I don't know him personally. I know personally Lea-Ann Miller, I think she is doing beautiful work. When I was skating with her, I never knew she had this talent, I was surprised.
当然可以。Torvill和Dean，我想他们是我的老师－他们的编排非常精彩。也有些不太知名的编舞，我很尊敬他们，他们的工作很棒，比如在苏黎世我的同事Sandra Sch爀，她是Gheorghe Chiper的妻子，她为（斯洛文尼亚的）Gregor Urbas编排节目。我还喜欢Yu-na的编舞David Willson的作品，但我和他素不相识。我认识Lea-Ann Miller，我觉得她的工作也很出色。当我和她一起滑冰时，我根本不知道她有这个才华。我相当惊讶。
You mentioned "less famous choreographers", I think, it's a pity that most of choreographers are staying behind the stage, we don't see them. This was one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you, because I believe people should know those names and faces. And people should know to whom to be grateful for the beautiful things we see on the ice, who to thank for this. So I'm glad I had this opportunity to thank you personally.
你提到了“不太知名的编舞”，我想，大多数编舞仍然留在舞台背后是件遗憾的事，我们看不到他们。这是我想采访你的原因之一，因为我相信人们应该知晓这些名字，认识这些面孔。人们也应该知道谁谱写了这些冰上的美丽，要对谁心存感激。所以我很乐意有这个机会当面向你表示感谢。
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