体操、艺术体操奥运讨论帖

原帖由 飞天神猪 于 2008-7-26 18:13 发表
李红杨去年和今年就是全国冠军，力克江苏的肖一鸣和浙江的丁一丹，她拿到唯一的个人比赛参赛资格应该是没有争议的。

先别说所谓的国内选拔赛，FIG这张外卡是指定颁给去年世锦赛中国选手里成绩最好的肖一鸣的，某著名少帅夫人等乌合之众ws别人的规定擅自换人，再次演绎了其在黑白是非颠倒方面的强大能力。
等着看吧，要是FIG较起真来，说不定这个名额就没了。

盼盼阿，为什么一直伤病不断?
可怜的娃

原帖由 ferrerol 于 2008-7-26 23:29 发表

先别说所谓的国内选拔赛，FIG这张外卡是指定颁给去年世锦赛中国选手里成绩最好的肖一鸣的，某著名少帅夫人等乌合之众ws别人的规定擅自换人，再次演绎了其在黑白是非颠倒方面的强大能力。
等着看吧，要是FIG较起真来，说不定这个名额就没了。

应该是可以的，国际艺体联合会给这张外卡是针对中国的，中国艺体协会可以自行决定参赛人选。。。

按规定来说是绝对不可以的。1——20名？运动员的名额是给国家的，而外卡只给指定选手，绝对不能换人，换句话说换了人了，外卡就不是你的了~~~~况且肖一鸣状态没有李红杨好我们又没看见，xy她们一张嘴,死的也活了
但这只是FIG的规定而已，规定而已！像xy明明没通过考试，FIG也明文规定不通过考试就不能执法世锦赛奥运会，xy之名不也在裁判之中吗！

原帖由 凤尾竹 于 2008-7-27 19:20 发表
按规定来说是绝对不可以的。1——20名？运动员的名额是给国家的，而外卡只给指定选手，绝对不能换人，换句话说换了人了，外卡就不是你的了~~~~况且肖一鸣状态没有李红杨好我们又没看见，xy她们一张嘴,死的也活了
但这只是FIG的规定而已，规定而已！像xy明明没通过考试，FIG也明文规定不通过考试就不能执法世锦赛奥运会，xy之名不也在裁判之中吗！

我也记得是这样，悉尼奥运会的时候FIG给了周晓菁外卡，当时她都已经退役一年了，就因为不能换人，所以才复出的。。不过嘛，规则是人定的，或许某些人就是有那么大的本事吧，谁说得清楚呢。
ps.某大妈没有资格执法世锦赛奥运会这类比赛吧？否则这脸还不得丢出亚洲丢向世界啊。。
pps.刚去FIG的网站查了下，裁判名单里还真有她的名字，算她本事大。另外，FIG网站上的个人项目参赛名单里还是有肖一鸣的名字。

哇……好黑啊…………

江钰源、何可欣的年龄穿帮了! 纽约时报等好多西方媒体都登了大幅文章! 那个刘鹏也真是的，城运会时，沾沾自喜得说什么何只有13岁，以为世界上没人懂中文，这下可好。

新华网北京7月28日电（记者李丽、李鹏翔、陈宇）中国体操队28日就外电有关中国两名女选手不满奥运会报名年龄的怀疑做出反应。体操队领队张佩文告诉新华社记者，体操队奥运阵容中所有选手的年龄都是按照所在省市提供的有效身份证件登记的，已达到奥运报名标准，也已经得到了国际体联的确认。

　　张佩文在接受记者的电话采访时说：“我们的奥运名单中全部12个队员的年龄都是按照他们户籍所在地的省市提供的有法律效力的身份证件登记的，其身份证件上的年龄都已经超过了北京奥运会的最低报名年龄。江钰源和何可欣也都参加过去年或今年世界杯的比赛，在参赛的时候国际体联就已经核对过她们的年龄。”

　　国际体联规定，参加北京奥运会的体操选手必须都是在1992年12月31日之前出生的。但近日美国一些媒体怀疑，中国女队奥运阵容中的江钰源和何可欣不满16岁，不够资格参加北京奥运会。

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国际体操联合会秘书长安德列·圭斯布勒(Mr. Andre Gueisbuhler)说：“我们听到了国际上流传的流言飞语，我们唯一能做的就是中国体操代表沟通。他们立刻就传真了运动员年龄的复印件过来，证明了运动员年龄是合格的，所以一切事情都是谣言，中国是清白的。既然我们已经有了证据证明中国是清白的，那么他们的运动员参加奥运会也是合理的，所以不要再有任何的谣言了。”  

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果然东道主还是有好处的......都是睁着眼睛说瞎话的主 ......虽然说JYY和Y10差不多16岁，但......默......

足球运动员改小年龄，体操选手、花样滑冰女选手改大年龄是地球人都知道的国际常识和惯例了......

Also, on Friday, there was a Zhejiang Province registration list that showed another 2008 Olympian, Jiang Yuyuan, as being born in 1993 which would also make her age-ineligible for next month's games. That link was disabled Sunday.

And gymnastics is not the only Chinese sport where athlete birth dates seem changeable. The Los Angeles Times has received records for female diver Chen Ruolin that indicated her birth date as April 26, 1994, changed in 2007.

As reported by the New China (Xinhua) news agency on July 18, Chen was born Dec. 12, 1992, in the Jiangsu province.

But according to a 2003 Chinese national diving registration list that still could be found online as of Sunday night, Chen was born on April 26, 1994. Her birth date remained the same in 2004, 2005 and 2006, but on the 2007 list, it was changed to Dec. 12, 1992.

If the 1994 birth date is correct, Chen competed illegally at the 2007 world championships, where she won a silver medal in the 10-meter platform and a gold medal with teammate Jia Tong in the 10-meter synchronized platform.

In diving, competitors must turn 14 during the year they compete in any official World Cup, World Championship or Olympics. So Chen is eligible for these Olympics but may not have been when she competed at the 2007 world championships.

Asked if Beijing Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games was concerned with the questions about possibly underage Chinese athletes, spokesman Sun Weide said Monday, "You have to check your facts. You have to check with the Chinese Olympic Committee."

Zhou Jihong, the national diving team leader, told the Tribune, "Those newspaper reports about Chen [being] underage are not true. We can fax to you Chen Ruolin's birth certificate and ID card to prove it. We don't want the rumor to affect our athletes two weeks before the Olympic Games."

The New York Times raised questions about the athletes' ages in a story Saturday. And Chinese officials provided the newspaper with copies of passports indicating both gymnasts are 16.

But in a speech on Nov. 3, 2007, in the central city of Wuhan, Liu Peng, director of general administration of sport for China, said: "The 13-year-old uneven-bar gymnast He Kexin, who defeated national team athlete Yang Yilin - she just won the bronze medal in the world championships - has demonstrated her ability."

To be eligible for the Cities Games where Liu made his remarks, Chinese documents show athletes must be over 13, but under 15.

In Chinese newspaper profiles this year, He was listed as 14, too young for the Beijing Games.

The Times found two online records of official registration lists of Chinese gymnasts that list He’s birthday as Jan. 1, 1994, which would make her 14. A 2007 national registry of Chinese gymnasts — now blocked in China but viewable through Google cache — shows He’s age as “1994.1.1.”

Another registration list that is unblocked, dated Jan. 27, 2006, and regarding an “intercity” competition in Chengdu, China, also lists He’s birthday as Jan. 1, 1994. That date differs by two years from the birth date of Jan. 1, 1992, listed on He’s passport, which was issued Feb. 14, 2008.

The other gymnast, Jiang, is listed on her passport — issued March 2, 2006 — as having been born on Nov. 1, 1991, which would make her 17 in November and thus eligible to compete at the Beijing Games.

A different birth date, indicating Jiang is not yet 15, appears on a list of junior competitors from the Zhejiang Province sports administration. The list of athletes includes national identification card numbers into which birth dates are embedded. Jiang’s national card number as it appears on this list shows her birth date as Oct. 1, 1993, which indicates that she will turn 15 in the fall, and would thus be ineligible to compete in the Beijing Games.

Zhang Hongliang, an official with the Chinese gymnastics federation, said Friday that perhaps Chinese reporters and provincial sports authorities made mistakes in listing He’s and Jiang’s birth dates differently from the dates given on their passports.

原帖由 ferrerol 于 2008-7-28 01:41 发表

我也记得是这样，悉尼奥运会的时候FIG给了周晓菁外卡，当时她都已经退役一年了，就因为不能换人，所以才复出的。。不过嘛，规则是人定的，或许某些人就是有那么大的本事吧，谁说得清楚呢。
ps.某大妈没有资格执法世锦赛奥运会这类比赛吧？否则这脸还不得丢出亚洲丢向世界啊。。
pps.刚去FIG的网站查了下，裁判名单里还真有她的名字，算她本事大。另外，FIG网站上的个人项目参赛名单里还是有肖一鸣的名字。

事实证明谢大妈的强大程度那就是我中华翘楚啊……
http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/cache/html/16638-15-10001.html
FIG的更新名单，肖MM被替成李MM了。

事到如今，就当从没看过体操算了……

55555……我家盼盼啊！！！
那个邓琳琳行吗？？前段时间看过她的比赛 感觉一般啊 不太可爱 没什么灵气……我亲爱的小盼盼 唉……