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 楼主| 扶风 发表于 2008-10-7 15:29:48 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得他们让D/L参与其中的编排简直是一个错误,不是不好,而是他们没有在某些关键部位抵抗住那些D/L风格的侵蚀和干扰,托举是很华丽,但是他们原本的那些托举就已足够撑起整座FD~~而我觉得D/L最出彩也只是这个

精致或者精巧在很多时候可以看做是对精彩节目的夸赞,但至少对于这个不算是~~
如果依照Diego的表演风格诠释这支曲子的话,我相信整体上会有很大的改观~~气蕴上更为符合

不过这些主观的东西本身就是见仁见智,so 也许只是我要求太高太苛刻,但是他们已经升到这个位置了,如果是这样的FD(好看但不能保证精彩~~)今年是很难站在中间的,虽然目前其他Top组的节目都还没出来。。。

我发现我忽然前所未有地痛恨起某主流三段式来 可恶的某些古董裁判,还有某些可恶的无聊规则

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昀灿 + 5 + 1 赞同前面的;不过我觉得在交流和细节处理上

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昀灿 发表于 2008-10-7 17:41:37 | 显示全部楼层
其实这套节目给我的感觉是,每个动作和当时的那段音乐结合得都很好;但是整套动作和这段音乐本身的氛围,显得不太搭调——这段音乐给我的感觉,是跌宕起伏,悲怆震撼,甚至是孤寂中的呐喊……对这种类型的音乐,你一定比我更了解,所以我理解,也赞同你,还有fsu上不少人对音乐表达的意见
其实在刚刚看到照片时,我就开始觉得服装与这段音乐给我的感受不符;然后又在passion-patinge上看到有看过现场的人形容这套FD是smooth,beautiful,but not exciting,我就更加纳闷了……  等于在看到视频以前,我已经有了准备,或许这也是我能接受这套节目的原因之一?
音乐剪辑、还有结尾的稍显生硬(主要是那个托举),也是我看到视频时的感受;而且,当初也没想到这套节目会有这么多象DL的地方……
只是我想说,我还是喜欢这套节目,并不是因为这套节目象DL的风格——说实话,我不认为这是好事,尤其是,DelSch一向是以自己的风格见长的
就像你说的,这套节目的表象再DL,可实质仍然是DelSch
下面的话,只是我的一点想法,如果有任何不大能接受的地方,事先说对不起了,请不要介意哦~~
对于这段音乐的表达,我也持保留意见;但是我们可以试着将自己的感觉稍稍放下,来单纯看选手所表达的东西——如果我们暂且不看原曲,只是将它们作为选手自己内心的表达,出来的效果,或许会很不一样。我知道我们不能完全抛开音乐本身,只是,对与一段音乐的理解,如果能够达到契合当然是最理想的,然而很多时候,横峰侧岭,人们看到的往往不禁相同——也许换一个角度,未尝不是另一条路
而且,视频并不清晰,基本看不清选手的表情,一些细节可能也展现不出来——这些,对表达节目的意境有时是至关重要的
另外,怎么说呢,这次的节目,没有象去年Masters时的Piano那样多少让我有种job unfinished的感觉。或许,这也可以算一个改进吧

在法语网站上看到一篇报道,他们谈到FD时解释道,今年是希望改变自己的风格;与DL合作,努力在注重节目的细节同时,保持整体的ENERGY——或许,这套节目现在还不是那么理想;但是至少他们努力改进的方面,是有明显成效的——虽然不一定最契合这套节目
何况,现在毕竟仍是赛季初期,也许随着时间,我们会看到不一样的演绎

只是希望以上这些稍微有一点启发——不一定对,看了看你和其他人的意见,我也有许多没有注意到的地方~~也很愿意再听听更多意见~~

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参与人数 2体力 +10 人气 +2 收起 理由
plumluvzhenya + 5 + 1 D/S变了~
扶风 + 5 + 1 哎~~也许是我太先入为主了。。。

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franzsfan 发表于 2008-10-7 22:10:33 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 扶风 于 2008-10-6 18:54 发表
 
另外虽然就只剩D/W和意大利那两对的音乐没出来了,但是据传F/S今年还会走古典路线~~你家那对再怎么捂再过1个月也就曝光鸟~~
刚翻了Callisto童鞋的YouTube主页,还没有再更新冰舞视频~~继续等待中



等大奖赛开始,所有人的节目就都曝光了,这个就无所谓了,最多也只是几站顺序的不同有那么几天的早晚而已。 不过,S/B的男伴竟然在facebook群里曝D/W的料来着,不过也基本上都是些有的没的,连这么亲近的好朋友都不知道选曲,这个也藏的太奇怪了~或者是人家知道却故意不说~

Callisto是油菜花来的,去年French Master的视频还是照片也是她家首发吧,油菜油菜~~
pooool 发表于 2008-10-8 05:19:11 | 显示全部楼层
只说一点整体的印象:

这个节目我感觉他们可能想表达一种仪式感,很70S的感觉,一种对某事某物的纪念,或者也像某种召唤(天哪,说得好雷人)。我对PINK FLOYD完全不了解,所以音乐我觉得挺好。他们这种表达我觉得还是庄严肃穆的,也许多看几遍会更有感觉。有几个地方是蛮DL的,裁判说不定会青睐。服装还不错,特别是男伴的服装。

如果是仪式,结尾不妨再改改,那种繁琐的交流方式可能会让观众和裁判走神。
pooool 发表于 2008-10-8 05:20:14 | 显示全部楼层
话说回来,如果VM的用曲是一样的话,我很担心V妹的诠释方式和效果。
丽丽熊 发表于 2008-10-8 20:25:48 | 显示全部楼层
PB的自由舞可算是出来了:

Nathalie Pechalat & Fabian Bourzat - Master's 2008 - FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGqzQsiMY8

开头一段抒情的,害我还好奇她俩咋穿成这样抒情,结果没多久。。。两只果然开始热热闹闹了^_^

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参与人数 3体力 +15 人气 +3 收起 理由
扶风 + 5 + 1 感谢发布视频~~
plumluvzhenya + 5 + 1 感谢即时消息
昀灿 + 5 + 1 感谢即时消息

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昀灿 发表于 2008-10-8 20:41:31 | 显示全部楼层
Blanc/Bouquet自由舞:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA5iuV17PWI        by Callisto777
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOPhXjGzNE      by Frozenspirit99
(感觉就像报道上说的一样,从背景音乐到服装再到表演都很特别……)
CJ自由舞:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-j5tn10ndo           by Frozenspirit99
P/B自由舞:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGqzQsiMY8      by Callisto777
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfvwWUCyD3Q       by Frozenspirit99
DS自由舞(和之前的角度不同):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE4k19HDdgo      by Frozenspirit99

目前还没有CJ和Blanc/Bouquet的创编舞,不过有看过现场的观众在博客上贴出了照片
http://lauriebabou.skyrock.com/453.html   (453-457页)


p.s.  据DS自己说,他们自由舞表达的是从想要离开到决定留下的情感变化;或许正如pooool所说,是对这段内心变化的纪念吧……与其说他们是在表达音乐,不如说是借这段音乐表达自己的情感
我想如果VM也滑这段音乐,诠释角度大概会不同

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参与人数 2体力 +10 人气 +2 收起 理由
扶风 + 5 + 1 感谢发布视频~~昨天太累了~~没上来
plumluvzhenya + 5 + 1 感谢即时消息

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pooool 发表于 2008-10-8 22:21:31 | 显示全部楼层
PB的节目啊,俺有些耳花。他们的速度,感觉比DS差一截
franzsfan 发表于 2008-10-8 22:47:28 | 显示全部楼层
C/J 的新节目看了,还不错,这还是D/L给编的么?我怎么觉得像他们自己编的,汗……

不过我还是更喜欢4月份的那两个表演节目,总的来说后半段不招待见的open transition比上个赛季的FD少了一些,但我也不觉得P/B的transition有多少traditional dance hold嘛,希望裁判的印象也能回转一点吧,托举确实BH,不过他俩就现在这个状态去比赛?!……擦擦汗先,唉。
pooool 发表于 2008-10-9 00:22:14 | 显示全部楼层
CJ的新FD完全没看出有DL的痕迹啊,我觉得他俩的力度有问题,精气神不是太好
franzsfan 发表于 2008-10-9 00:50:28 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 pooool 于 2008-10-9 00:22 发表
CJ的新FD完全没看出有DL的痕迹啊,我觉得他俩的力度有问题,精气神不是太好



有点像大病初愈的样子,手脚都是软的,精神面貌也比4月份差了好多,唉……
franzsfan 发表于 2008-10-9 19:44:15 | 显示全部楼层

KN爆VM的料。。。

Jana御姐爆VM的料来的:
Jana KHOKHLOVA announce Virtue-Moir music in FD - she said "French and canadian teams will skate to the same song of the Pink Floyd - will skate the same programs"

出处:
http://allsport.ru/index.php?id=19473
不过不用爆了,我们都知道了,哈哈~~
……不过我在想她是咋知道的?论坛潜水??Tessa告诉她的???
……好雷好雷……今年这么流行爆料咩?明天BA再来爆个冬菇的料如何?或者两对互相爆?标题我都想好了……

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plumluvzhenya + 5 + 1 B/A不会干这事吧?

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 楼主| 扶风 发表于 2008-10-9 19:51:05 | 显示全部楼层
FD终于都出来了~~

B/B的看上去有点闷,还没有去年的喜欢~~总觉得其中的演讲词太盖过了音乐,不过3分钟以后的俺很喜欢(直线托举之后~~),不过整体对我还是太过了,感觉裁判很难吃消的开

P/B的俺只喜欢美丽人生那段,开头很有feel,觉得没有口传的那么出色。。。

C/J今年的FD比去年好了很多,我倒是觉得这种略稍颓废的精神正好能演绎出Muse的韵味,去年的中后段太空了,而今年整体的感觉都很心水,就是高潮部分力度还是不够~~要更果敢些才好,最喜欢他们的ending pose,实在是太有爱了……
pooool 发表于 2008-10-9 23:33:38 | 显示全部楼层
额,换了一个版本视频看,觉得PB速度也不是那么糟,但是后半段闹的部分还是不是很顺眼[em65]
昀灿 发表于 2008-10-10 20:46:42 | 显示全部楼层

Kerrs报道/ DS(俄)新赛季选曲

从fsu上看到的关于Kerrs的一点消息:
http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/headlines/display.var.2455263.0.Kerrs_eager_to_showcase_daring_dance.php

今年夏天他们大半部分时间在美国跟随教练Evgeny Platov以及Maia Usova训练一起训练。在参加大奖赛前,会先参加 Finland Trophy。他们的创编舞选择了40年代的音乐。他们表示,随新赛季的准备进展顺利,Usova训练学到了很多,新自由滑能突出他们在表演上的优势。


同样来自fsu的消息:
DS(俄)的新赛季曲目
OD - Valse form Jazz Suite by D.Shostakovich 华尔兹,选自肖斯塔科维奇《爵士组曲》
(Maxim will portrait Hooligan and Oksana - Young Lady)              
FD - adagio from Spartacus by A.Khachuturian 柔板,选自哈恰图良《斯巴达克思》
(怎么觉得OD的构思又象上赛季的《假面舞会》? )   

曲目是在最近一篇Domnina的采访中透露的 http://www.rg.ru/2008/10/10/figur.html  贴一下用google在线翻译转成的英文,如果感兴趣的话,凑合着看看吧
The questions "WP" responsible Oksana Domnina. And, as always, interpretation and very frank.

Rossiyskaya Gazeta: Oksana, why did you have with Maxim threw favorite podmoskovnoe Odintsovo and went to train in America? What led to this decision?
Oksana Domnina: We left somewhere on 25 July. And that led? This is an interesting issue, but neither I nor Maxim is not yet ready to reveal all the cards. Let's say this: there was a need for us.

WP: Need sports?
Domnina: Yes.

WP: Why did you choose to use it as a coach Natalia Linichuk and Gennady Karponosova already quite a long time living & trains his students in the U.S.? As well know their mentors and Olympic champions?
Domnina: In ice dancing, we are not a lot of classroom training. Well, of course, aware, and in principle a long time. Now gradually find a common language with Natalia and Gennady Mikhailovich. Prior to that, eight years, trained with Alexei Gorshkov, he became my own man. There is a normal acquaintance with new people and new for us trenerskimi methods.

WP: There is a mentor at home?
Domnina: We have, let's say, good working relations.

WP: A Gorshkov to communicate?
Domnina: Well, well ... Relatively.

WP: Where live? As treniruetes?
Domnina: Live in Pennsylvania, in the locality Glenmills, a ride in a small gorodochke - just 20 minutes by car, and you have to skating rink. Rent an apartment. There Maxima has its own studio, I have - its own. Conditions quite good.

WP: How do without maminyh pies? And where do you eat? Samy ready? Or is it not possible at such tensions, how are you?
Domnina: No Maminov yum-yum, I already the eighth year. When preparing herself when somewhere zaezzhayu: here on every street corner there, where a snack. Sometimes dinner in the cafe at the skating rink. Keep weight, try.

WP: How to cope with such worldly concerns partner?
Domnina: Maxim coping as well as I do. Stisnuli teeth - and forward.

WP: So, do have the need cramped teeth?
Domnina: radically and dramatically change all of life seriously. But had. There are completely different - people, rules of communication.

WP: How many times a day you treniruetes? And when?
Domnina: Now in Moscow, how many?

WP: 23 hours 30 minutes.
Domnina: And we just ended the first workout. We Practicing twice a day. Two hours on the ice, the break between training - two hours. And again two hours on the ice. A little bit in a different way than we had before. Because there individual lessons, where the coach has only one pair. And these individual sessions lasted either 40 minutes or 1 hour 20 minutes. It depends on how the coach sets the timetable.

WP: Who is with you - or Karponosov Linichuk?
Domnina: They alternate. In the morning we have with Practicing Natalia, and in the evening - with Gennady Mikhailovich.

WP: If I am not mistaken, they are also preparing your probably the main rivals - Americans Tanit Belbin and Benjamin Agosto?
Domnina: You are not wrong. And if we - with Karponosovym, they respectively with Linichuk, and vice versa.

WP: And you are with the Americans as it intersects?
Domnina: Where?

WP: On the ice, in life ...
Domnina: Well, of course, we are at the same time Practicing.

WP: And you are not unsettle?
Domnina: How to tell ... Sometimes it is. But when we Natalia, they - with Gennady Mikhailovich. The Americans occupied our case, we - his.

WP: And outside the ice there any relationship?
Domnina: Well, well. Maxim with Ben pogovoryat sometimes in English. But in principle, no.

WP: By the way, how are you English?
Domnina: In process. I'm trying to say. Here's Maxim explained, but stesnyaetsya. And I say little, but too shy. Occasionally go to the movies - should help. I want to talk to a little podtyanut. We must all learn to do well at the course. But where to get at this time?

WP: I know you people are very friendly. Who is communicating?
Domnina: In this town or with whom. Yes, there dullish. In Moscow, was the life and non-ice and on ice. And in the States, I have a firmly agreed, just long training gathering, where there was only ice, flat, and that's it. Mother House - Odintsovo. I have it all - relatives and friends of people. And here we are with Maxim, as I have said to you, stisnuv teeth, trying to extract maximum benefit for themselves. Entertainment let the wait.

WP: Is that so, let's say, some self-denial is worth? Yield results and increase class?
Domnina: The hard answer. When at least this season, it will be possible to say: face to the victims or not. Now, we threw everything: family, friends, favorite coach - and came here. Yes, this is a very heavy price. But there is some sporting purpose, to which we are going. And we are going to the gold medal, a high, high places. If they are, then some of the victims were not in vain and the cost. If not, then - no.

WP: Oksana, your beloved people remained in Moscow. Almost everyone knows: the Olympic champion in ice dancing at the Roman Kostomarov. Perezvanivaetes?
Domnina: Of course, without me is not easy. And how can it be different if I lived with a man three years together in one apartment and we like to break. Roma is coming, was two-fold.

WP: Well, let's purely about sports. What's new you prepared? In Moscow your program - a surprise.
Domnina: Because we have this did not apply. Only in September, it became clear that going to do and that the ride. Because when we came here, a month devoted exclusively to technology, sliding, dancing compulsory and music search, which lasted long. And we have an arbitrary dance music "Spartacus" adagio love.

WP: Khachaturian always sounded powerful.
Domnina: It is powerful. Adagio took to pair skating and dance and can not remember when it sounded.

WP: How would the original dance?
Domnina: The original - Shostakovich waltz, called "Jazz Suite", I think, 1934. Because we now beats 20-40-x. Consequently, the music must be written and performed in those years. We are looking for a long time and concluded: I will be ladies, Maxim - hooligans, but the idea for us to think of Natalia.

WP: When will we see you in Russia? Only at the Cup of Russia in November or maybe early?
Domnina: No, only the Cup of Russia. Be sure to meet.

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