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Jeremazing 发表于 2009-7-28 13:43:52 | 显示全部楼层
Off Season期没有事情做,外加她的选曲又迟迟不肯公布……于是大家来YY音乐吧!

我的YY~~“Violin Sonata in G minor” by Giuseppe Tartini (朱塞佩·塔蒂尼,1692–1770),;当然它还有一个更拉风的别名——"Devil's Trill",“恶魔的颤音”(也有译成“魔鬼的颤音”的…不过我不喜欢这个译名…)



提到“恶魔/魔鬼”、“颤音”、“小提琴”,大家可能会首先想到帕格尼尼,我也看到有不少地方以讹传讹地把这首曲子直接归于他的名下……不过事实上它和帕格尼尼一点关系都没有,这首“恶魔的颤音”是意大利小提琴家塔蒂尼最富盛名的作品。

这首曲子的由来是一个与梦境相关的有趣故事,这个故事的版本众多,细节部分也各不相同;不过它们的共同点就是,塔蒂尼的梦中出现了一名恶魔,恶魔用小提琴拉出了非常优美的旋律,醒来后的塔蒂尼就以此为灵感写下了这首超高难的小提琴曲,曲中的许多部分即使以现在的水准来衡量也是极难演奏的。
因为带有传奇色彩的创作背景和对演奏技巧的高难要求,长久以来就有许多传说围绕着这首“恶魔的颤音”:有人说这是塔蒂尼把灵魂出卖给恶魔所写出的音乐,也有人说这首曲子是作曲家在与恶魔们交谈,还有人说一旦拉起它的旋律,演奏者的灵魂就会被恶魔夺走……

我最早知道这首曲子是在很多年前的一部漫画里,松下容子的《暗之末裔》,其中一个单元的故事就以这首曲子为背景。故事的最后,作者借主角之口说出了她对音乐的理解,是一段很有趣的解读——
这首是由恶魔创造出来,最难却也是最美…是以前由天堕落的天使们,将他们对神的反抗,传达给人类的曲子。这首恶魔的曲子,将会一直演奏下去,诉说着无止尽的背叛……

Fritz Kreisler演奏的版本,The Devil's Trill.mp3   33.6M
http://www.rayfile.com/files/0f87d554-7b2f-11de-b36b-0019d11a795f/
http://d.namipan.com/d/5b2dacb90b6f14c49ad6d98ebcf9e2f7d4ba55f83b6e1a02

全曲共分为四个部分,节奏是慢—快—慢—快。
两段慢板都是优美缠绵,带有哀伤倾诉的意味。第一段快板节奏轻快活泼,音符滔滔不绝;而后来的急板沉重悲愤,最终在越来越激烈的近似哭喊的曲调中结束了故事。

其中最著名的部分是第四段的急板,不少乐手都把这一段单独拉出来演奏过,比如陈美(不过她的版本好难听啊…);花滑赛场上出现这首曲子也多是这个部分。
我觉得这首曲子真的很适合她,无论是慢板部分还是急板部分

这张图贴过咩?我觉得很适合这个主题——黑色与红色,地狱与火焰的颜色,黑夜与鲜血的颜色

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参与人数 5体力 +40 人气 +8 收起 理由
丽丽熊 + 5 + 1 哇咔咔^_^
fs2046 + 5 + 1 半仙的水晶球又开始工作了? ^o^
云之彼端 + 5 偶啥都不看就看见这张图了。。。。
DSC + 20 + 5 精品文章,已下载来听,即使只是臆测,也很
青鸟jerry + 5 + 1 可惜路数和上赛季SP太类似了,不然倒真是不

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凤求凰 发表于 2009-7-28 13:52:53 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 小若 于 2009-7-28 12:14 发表 DW很少有混编剪切的作品,不知道是不是TD遍的LP.TD到是非常擅长混编的.不过大少的SP也是2个音乐混编的一套.,如果是DW编的看来他还是勇于挑战的!
DW当年给Jeff的0506奥运赛季刚开始编的那个自由滑,就是个混编。。。(不过最后换掉了。。。)而且给柔韧男的莫扎特也应该算是混编。。。
而且我觉得DW跟TD不一样的地方是,即使混编,也是感觉是有联系的那种,层层递进,结构工整,而TD一般会把看似不搭调的东西揉和在一起,却呈现出一种奇异的和谐。。。

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DSC + 10 + 2 我的梦想是希望DW和TD携手合作打造节目~

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Jeremazing 发表于 2009-7-28 14:06:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 凤求凰 于 2009-7-28 13:52 发表

DW当年给Jeff的0506奥运赛季刚开始编的那个自由滑,就是个混编。。。(不过最后换掉了。。。)而且给柔韧男的莫扎特也应该算是混编。。。


其实这俩也不完全算吧。古尔德那个节目我记得是根据古尔德的一部记录片来组合音乐的(我当时还找这片子呢…结果找不到= =),莫扎特节目也是根据莫扎特那部电影来的

DW真正的完全混编应该是罗大姐06奥运赛季的LP?那似乎是真正三首完全无关的曲子……
CSD 发表于 2009-7-29 01:44:30 | 显示全部楼层
混编MS以前比较盛行?记得90年代初期N多选手的节目都是音乐大百汇?

印象中Baiul那套拿了世界奥运双冠军的长节目就是五六段众家音乐的混合吧?如有说错概不负责 因为我记得兔子有过诸如此类的讲评~


说到YUNA那保密到家的选曲~我希望是现代一些、流行一些的音乐,知名的近期电影配乐就很合适~这样不就符合既熟悉又比较少用过的定义么?上赛季就滑过古典的了,希望新赛季能有强有力且意象鲜明的现代化风格。

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MILD7 发表于 2009-7-30 14:50:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 凤求凰 于 2009-7-28 13:52 发表
而且我觉得DW跟TD不一样的地方是,即使混编,也是感觉是有联系的那种,层层递进,结构工整,而TD一般会把看似不搭调的东西揉和在一起,却呈现出一种奇异的和谐。。。


这话看着像绕口令,DW的编排应该很厉害吧,这次YUNA也找他排?不知道会排出什么样子给YUNA滑,希望YUNA发挥好.
lilybear 发表于 2009-7-30 22:46:05 | 显示全部楼层
Yuna总算有一点点消息了,下面是新的访问,转自yunaforum,由BelleFilleYuna翻译。(比较简单,就不翻译成中文了)
原文链接:http://www.cbs.co.kr/Nocut/Show.asp?IDX=1218606

Q: About your training for the Olympic season
A: I had mainly focused on enhancing my stamina since I got back to Toronto. Now I'm working on perfecting my new programs. I want to be well prepared for Grand Prix series let alone the Olympics, I want to have good results from the start.

Q: You've been having nagging injuries past seasons. How do you feel this year?
A: Well, I don't think I can forgo injuries for training and exercising is everyday routine for me but I think it won't be a problem as long as I take good care of myself and rest well just like last season.

Q: About your new programs
A: The choreography part was done in June. They're not perfect yet and we're tweaking on it.

Q: A lot of people are wondering about your musics for new programs
A: I decied to annouce them sooner or later when I go to Korea for the show in August.

Q: Are you going to skate your new program in the show?
A: No, only the musics, too early for the actual programs. My first competition should be the debut of them.

Q: Ice All Stars are coming.
A: I think it's about ten days left. I have to practice for the show from now on. I want to make it a great show just like the previous one in April.

Q: What are you going to skate in the show?
A: One is Danse Macabre, many people loved that program and I do too. I think it was the best I've been doing so far. The other one is Don't stop the music.

Q: DAVICHI is going to sing 'Don't stop the music' live at the show.
A: I've been listening to their songs and I think it will feel different performing to live music. So I'm looking forward to it.

Q: It is said that Michelle Kwan will skate in three years at Ice All Stars. How do you feel about doing the show with Michelle Kwan?
A: It was Nagano Olympics when I first saw Michelle skate. I was deeply moved by her skating and I've looked up to her ever since. I was so excited to have a brief meeting with her at Worlds in LA. So it's going to be great. I'm so honored to share the same ice with such legendary skaters. Michelle skating for the first time in three years surely makes it more meaningful to me.

Q: Is there anything you want to do with Michelle on the ice?
A: Spins, jumps, spirals.......just standing on the same ice would be enough to make me feel honored.

Q: message to your fans
A: Here comes the Olympic season and I'm really working hard!!
Please look forward to the ice show and I'll try my best to return your love this season!!!

呵呵,Yuna将会在八月棒子国的演出时公布选曲哦

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fs2046 + 5 + 1 百宝熊的口袋又有好东东啦!
lampard + 5 + 1 嫩一回来就有重磅炸弹XDDD

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lampard 发表于 2009-7-30 22:54:57 | 显示全部楼层
熊熊姐姐一回来就有重磅炸弹。。。
话说偶滴英文水平还米有差的太恶心。。。
凡男森 发表于 2009-7-30 22:55:10 | 显示全部楼层
哇~那过一段时间就可以知道她的选曲了 ~
我非常期待8月在韩国的show~~看点很多~

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CSD 发表于 2009-7-31 09:37:09 | 显示全部楼层
果然还是抵挡不住媒体好奇的强大压力要公布了啊。。。那就只要再等半个月就好。。。HOHOHO。。。半仙发挥强大预感,肯定是大家都很熟悉却意想不到她会选择的曲目。。。


Ice All Star真的爆点太多了~万分期待ing

。。。然后准备去压迫国际论坛上某妍粉交出好物来了
Sandy 发表于 2009-7-31 11:54:55 | 显示全部楼层
期待Yuna的新曲子啊~看来这回大叔和DW大师对Yuna的新编排是异常的重视、力求完美啊
我又要流口水了~
ps:我喜欢Cmm的签名照!惟妙惟肖啊~
lilybear 发表于 2009-7-31 18:39:16 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 CSD 于 2009-7-31 09:37 发表
果然还是抵挡不住媒体好奇的强大压力要公布了啊。。。那就只要再等半个月就好。。。HOHOHO。。。半仙发挥强大预感,肯定是大家都很熟悉却意想不到她会选择的曲目。。。


Ice All Star真的爆点太多了~万分期待ing

。。。然后准备去压迫国际论坛上某妍粉交出好物来了

嘿嘿,嫩准备压迫who啊?
昨天偶才去那用了很多envy。。。偶嫉妒那些能看现场的淫

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lampard 发表于 2009-7-31 20:13:53 | 显示全部楼层
偶瞎猜YUNA新赛季滴曲子。。。
短节目:高山流水
自由滑:渔舟唱晚
表演:草原上升起不落的太阳(特指阿宝版本)
要素YUNA下个赛季用这三首曲子,估计中国13亿人都去支持了。。。

PS:承蒙YUNA保佑,偶终于被录取了

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fs2046 + 5 + 1 恭喜,加油!
DSC + 15 + 5 恭喜恭喜^_^
丽丽熊 + 15 + 5 恭喜录取了哦^_^

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lilybear 发表于 2009-7-31 20:20:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 lampard 于 2009-7-31 20:13 发表
偶瞎猜YUNA新赛季滴曲子。。。
短节目:高山流水
自由滑:渔舟唱晚
表演:草原上升起不落的太阳(特指阿宝版本)
要素YUNA下个赛季用这三首曲子,估计中国13亿人都去支持了。。。

PS:承蒙YUNA保佑,偶终于被录取了

草原上升起不落的太阳?我我我。。。无语ing

还要恭喜咯
CSD 发表于 2009-8-1 04:48:43 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 lilybear 于 2009-7-31 18:39 发表

嘿嘿,嫩准备压迫who啊?
昨天偶才去那用了很多envy。。。偶嫉妒那些能看现场的淫



压迫对象才不告诉嫩 这是~~~~~~~~~顺带一说,很多YUNA的好物是从那里敲出来的


看到那Nenvy的发言了,果然怨力十足啊

加紧速度清空硬盘,这次ICE ALL STAR
所有选手的视频花边八卦肯定要从头收到尾的

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fs2046 发表于 2009-8-1 07:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
http://www.chinaice.org/post.php?action=reply&fid=307&tid=11230&repquote=358199&extra=&page=7

关于Yuna选曲的重要新消息。

话说这选曲出炉的过程真够写一部福尔摩斯了,不停丢出新线索,叫我猜,我猜,我猜猜猜。




大叔对DW创作的新节目狂用溢美之词,认为这将是Yuna的巅峰之作。

" Her new programs are just over the top. They are just so good. I take my hat off to David Wilson," Orser said, noting that several people collaborated to come up with ideas for Kim's new music.

"Its' a whole different direction and it's fantastic."

新节目选曲将在All Star on Ice期间公布。

Kim will announce her program music at a news conference in Seoul in mid-August when she and Orser travel there for three, star-studded shows entitled All-Stars on Ice. Orser did shed some light on the selections, however.

自由滑音乐是脍炙人口的钢琴协奏曲,节奏层层推进,最适合奥运之夜的氛围,可以让所有人激动得站起来。

"The long program is one of those programs that you can visualize on the final night for the ladies Olympic program. It's one of those great programs and you visualize people on their feet," said Orser, indicating that the choice is a piano concerto with "nice pacing" which people will recognize instantly.

短节目音乐完全不同,强势,锐利,富于力量。Yuna不喜欢柔美抒情的作品。这将是一个成熟性感的作品。

"The short is completely different," Orser said. "It's fierce. It's powerful and it's strong. That's what she likes to skate to for the short program. She doesn't like any fluff, so we've taken that knowledge after working with her for four years. We know that about her and she knows that about her. It's mature and even on the verge of sexy."

近期策略,排除一切外部干扰,关起门来秘密备战 。

"What we're determined to do is stay home, stay behind closed doors and train and have as few distractions as possible. We have enough people around us that can make that happen. It helps that we skate in a private club and she has a sense of safety there. She feels comfortable. She can have her good days and bad days and she's not being judged and no one's going to be out there putting it out on YouTube," said Orser.

大叔对奥运前景相当乐观,对自己的执教水平充满自信。

"[The Olympic season] is here and it's happening, but I seem to have a grip on everything," he said, chuckling. "It's consuming. It's good, though. I like it. It fits well. I feel confident. The first year I was 'What? Where am I?' Now, I seem to be a step ahead of any potential situation or distraction."

线索已经相当明朗了,你猜到了吗?

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Jeremazing + 5 + 1 ....难道是拉二?ORZ

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